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When a flat Earther tells you that water cannot curve (media.conspiracies.win)
posted 1 year ago by vpnsurfer 1 year ago by vpnsurfer +21 / -10
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– jack445566778899 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Nope, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do research into it

There is nothing to research if nothing about the "cube earth" exists to study...

if you are keeping an open mind about the possibilities of what the shape would be

As i said before, in order for the cube earth to be consistent with what we measure and observe - the known world would have to be on its topmost face. This is certainly not a possibility that we can or should completely rule out.

However, flatly transitioning from the spherical worldview merely juxtaposing/projecting the known world onto a cube would be nonsensical and against the laws of physics for the same reasons that the spherical earth is.

It seems by your actions that you suspect the earth is flat,

What actions? I have plainly told you that i work hard not to "suspect" anything (and excise such suspicions, aka beliefs), and to only deal with what i can know and thoroughly validate.

On a local level, the land and water are generally flat, but the earth is a LOT larger than that. Indeed, if we are wrong about the earth's shape - we could easily be quite wrong about its total size as well.

Exactly!

Exactly. That's why we don't research "the cube earth", or "the spherical earth", or "the flat earth". We just study "the earth" and its shape without such biases (ideally).

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– ceva 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Indeed, if we are wrong about the earth's shape - we could easily be quite wrong about its total size as well.

Just as suspicions about the world being flat could also be wrong, as well as our current understanding of weight only acting downward.

We just study "the earth" and its shape without such biases (ideally).

Precisely!

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– jack445566778899 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Just as suspicions about the world being flat could also be wrong

Correct, which is why suspicion, aka belief, must always be identified and excised if you wish to be even remotely capable of objective study (of anything).

as well as our current understanding of weight only acting downward.

That is more or less demonstrable - aka, a law. However weight doesn't act in any direction necessarily - it is just an intrinsic property of matter. Wether that weight is directed down, up, or neither is defined by its relationship to the media it displaces.

Precisely!

And that is precisely the reason we don't research the "cube earth". Looks like you have, and now understand, your answer.

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– ceva 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Is it fair to say then that you simply believe that the world is not a globe?

That is more or less demonstrable - aka, a law

In your own perspective, yes. But it's just a belief that it applies universally in all environments, unless you've been there.

Looks like you have, and now understand, your answer.

Well, no, because I was asking about you, specifically. Not the royal you. I understand why "we" don't, but not why "you" don't.

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– jack445566778899 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Is it fair to say then that you simply believe that the world is not a globe?

As i keep telling you, i work very hard (and it is central to flat earth research, as well as necessary for the chance at objective study of any kind) not to believe anything!

I used to believe the world was spherical, just as we all were raised to from childhood. Now i no longer believe that, and through my research have concluded that based on the scientific laws (i.e. repeated observation/measurement) that spherical is not a possible shape for it. Cubic, as you mentioned - is possible, but spherical is not (i.e. the spherical earth posit is unscientific / unempirical)

In your own perspective, yes

No, in reality! Who cares what can be demonstrated in a perspective/imagination? I care what can be demonstrated in reality. In reality, we can trivially demonstrate that weight is not always a force that points downwards. We can also demonstrate that it is intrinsic to the matter itself, and there is no possible matter without weight.

But it's just a belief that it applies universally in all environments, unless you've been there.

It is established the same way everything in scientific law is - repeated observation/measurement. It is true that the laws of nature may be different at some wacky location but - until and unless we can get there to measure that wacky difference - the principle of uniformitarianism is a given and a pillar of science. You may believe that things happen differently elsewhere or under some special circumstance, but until you confirm it through observation/measurement - it's just belief.

It is true, however - that science is always provisional and subject to change (often extreme change) as new data is collected. The foundation of uniformitarianism, on which science is built, is a speculative posit, i agree - however, it has been a largely valuable one.

Science can only make partial positive statements, never absolute ones. When i say the surface of the earth can't be spherical, it is due to the laws of nature that we established on its surface.

Well, no, because I was asking about you, specifically. Not the royal you

You mean the royal we? You were only asking me, and i was only responding to you. My answers are my own.

You asked why i don't study the "cube earth". I answered that question for myself, and cannot speak for anyone else. You said "exactly", indicating that you now understand why i don't. Are you still misunderstanding something?

I understand why "we" don't, but not why "you" don't.

I am a part of we, my friend!

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