I did a contract at Align Technologies in their IT department requiring gathering data about their server configurations and some system support tasks. While I was there, management brought in H1Bs to replace the employees and get trained. VP of IT was an Indian bitch who'd wormed her way in. All the employees knew they were getting let go and they then would not cooperate with me. Rightfully so. My point is H1Bs are still being used as an anti-labor weapon by cheap bastards. And BTW, the H1Bs were having to room 4 to an apartment, as they were not being paid worth a damn by Tata.
I totally agree with you on L1s and am sorry you get static on this issue, it is real.
Google basically OWNs Mountain View and has been spreading its tentacles into Sunnyvale and parts of San Jose here in the SF South Bay region. Developers have built so many five or six story chicken coop apartment buildings here for the Indian workers, and lots of overpriced townhomes that get bought up by multigeneration Indians coming here to colonize. All working at Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple. Our streets are full of Indian food trucks (for the tech workers) competing with Mexican food trucks (for the illegals). I go to Costco and at times am the only white guy shopping there, honest to god.
No, not really. Most of what people actually see are, in fact, H1Bs. I have never encountered an L1 in my 25 years in tech. I've encountered probably thousands of H1Bs.
L1 must already have worked for the same company in another country for at least one year, and are essentially transferring to the U.S. This is what the massive consulting shops like InfoSys do, and to a much smaller degree Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and some accounting firms. Since these people have already worked for the company, they are not as often displacing people when they move here (though, yes, it does happen, and also happens indirectly by outsourcing to InfoSys and laying off your staff...but that's not really different from outsourcing to India but with the people onsite).
Both programs need to be restricted to a cap of something like 1,000 per year, instead of the hundreds of thousands that come in every year in the current programs combined.
This is why reddit pushes the h1b narrative. It's pretty wild to think back to my office days and how coordinated every single rising post was designed from the top down. That's why it was important to distinguish the difference between mods and admins. A fake dividing wall to point fingers and divert blame.
They use both types to our detriment though. You are right about L1s but here are my observations on H1Bs:
I notice that IT and computer science jobs sites posts for jobs now mostly all state 'cannot sponsor H1Bs'. That is new since the start of the year. The job market is so tight right now that it's getting very hard for any company to justify hiring non-citizens. Good. Fuck all the Indians and fuck Obama for facilitating using so many of them. He screwed over US engineers so much.
I'll say again, any public job listing will be filled by an H1B, as they need to prove they cannot find a citizen.
L1 already work at the company, and they do not have the same requirement to prove they cannot fill the role with a citizen, so they would not post and fill with an L1.
None of this matters, though, as you are missing the actual issue. As you stated, these companies are multinational, and along with the banks, cartels, secret societies, intelligence agencies, military industrial complex, they control the direction in which societies move. The move now is to a global system, with nations still existing but essentially no longer sovereign.
Pointing out that there are multiple visa programs, and chimping out any time someone says something you don't like, isn't accomplishing anything.
There are many programs, they are all abused. Everyone already knows this. It's neat that you just figured this out, but settle down and work on doing something useful.
Work on building parallel economies, local networks, regional networks to connect these local networks. Help yourself and others become less dependent on this system, because that is the only way to actually challenge what is coming. If enough people do that then they will need to reel it back to something more reasonable. And if not, then at least there is an alternative system in place for those of us that are not joining the matrix.
Or just keep spouting retarded shit all day, every day and chimping out.
Ah, gotcha. The "hiring" was in reference to the post you responded to a couple up about job postings (anything with a job posting is going to be H1B, which you probably know).
I agree on the big body shops (InfoSys, GGK, et al), those are largely L1, but you don't really see that kind of wholesale replacement of local IT staff with Indians anymore. Still plenty of onsite staff-aug in like DC area, but things have really shifted remote since covid, and even before that the trend in foreign staff-aug was to just outsource to WiPro, etc., with foreign resources still living in their home countries (I was seeing a lot of Kenya).
Where I'm at now they've started using Central and South America with the workers never leaving their countries (easier than India and Africa because same time zones).
Anyways, point is, it doesn't really matter the visa program, or the outsourcing method, the abuse of them all will accelerate. At this point I don't believe there is a solution in the system, it is completely captured and being pillaged and plundered before collapse.
To me, the fight should be about what lies on the other side of the (multi-stage, largely orchestrated) collapse. Building out parallel economies, systems and networks now makes it so they can't as easily force everyone into their "solution". Best case, that means they must compromise on the bad stuff. Worst case is at least we have something in place to survive outside of their system until they start coming after us.
I did a contract at Align Technologies in their IT department requiring gathering data about their server configurations and some system support tasks. While I was there, management brought in H1Bs to replace the employees and get trained. VP of IT was an Indian bitch who'd wormed her way in. All the employees knew they were getting let go and they then would not cooperate with me. Rightfully so. My point is H1Bs are still being used as an anti-labor weapon by cheap bastards. And BTW, the H1Bs were having to room 4 to an apartment, as they were not being paid worth a damn by Tata.
I totally agree with you on L1s and am sorry you get static on this issue, it is real.
Company housing, company stores? Geez, wonder where I've heard that before...
Google basically OWNs Mountain View and has been spreading its tentacles into Sunnyvale and parts of San Jose here in the SF South Bay region. Developers have built so many five or six story chicken coop apartment buildings here for the Indian workers, and lots of overpriced townhomes that get bought up by multigeneration Indians coming here to colonize. All working at Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple. Our streets are full of Indian food trucks (for the tech workers) competing with Mexican food trucks (for the illegals). I go to Costco and at times am the only white guy shopping there, honest to god.
Hey now, Mexican food trucks are for us white boys too.
I'm actually not the racist I seem to be; I eat tamales and other stuff and put guacamole on lots of things including my keyboard.
The 65,000 H1B allocation for 2024 was exhausted in December.
No, not really. Most of what people actually see are, in fact, H1Bs. I have never encountered an L1 in my 25 years in tech. I've encountered probably thousands of H1Bs.
L1 must already have worked for the same company in another country for at least one year, and are essentially transferring to the U.S. This is what the massive consulting shops like InfoSys do, and to a much smaller degree Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and some accounting firms. Since these people have already worked for the company, they are not as often displacing people when they move here (though, yes, it does happen, and also happens indirectly by outsourcing to InfoSys and laying off your staff...but that's not really different from outsourcing to India but with the people onsite).
Both programs need to be restricted to a cap of something like 1,000 per year, instead of the hundreds of thousands that come in every year in the current programs combined.
This is why reddit pushes the h1b narrative. It's pretty wild to think back to my office days and how coordinated every single rising post was designed from the top down. That's why it was important to distinguish the difference between mods and admins. A fake dividing wall to point fingers and divert blame.
Using the proper term (if any) isn't going to change a damn thing.
L1s or H1Bs aren't going to go away just because you refer to it as such.
It's cool that you're trying to educate people, but you're also getting upset and losing your shit over something that won't change a damn thing.
They use both types to our detriment though. You are right about L1s but here are my observations on H1Bs:
I notice that IT and computer science jobs sites posts for jobs now mostly all state 'cannot sponsor H1Bs'. That is new since the start of the year. The job market is so tight right now that it's getting very hard for any company to justify hiring non-citizens. Good. Fuck all the Indians and fuck Obama for facilitating using so many of them. He screwed over US engineers so much.
No, you are mistaken. Any white-collar foreigner hired from a job posting will be an H1B.
L1 must already have been working for the company for at least one year, but in a branch in another country. There are no postings for those jobs.
Everything alright, sweetie?
I'll say again, any public job listing will be filled by an H1B, as they need to prove they cannot find a citizen.
L1 already work at the company, and they do not have the same requirement to prove they cannot fill the role with a citizen, so they would not post and fill with an L1.
None of this matters, though, as you are missing the actual issue. As you stated, these companies are multinational, and along with the banks, cartels, secret societies, intelligence agencies, military industrial complex, they control the direction in which societies move. The move now is to a global system, with nations still existing but essentially no longer sovereign.
Pointing out that there are multiple visa programs, and chimping out any time someone says something you don't like, isn't accomplishing anything.
There are many programs, they are all abused. Everyone already knows this. It's neat that you just figured this out, but settle down and work on doing something useful.
Work on building parallel economies, local networks, regional networks to connect these local networks. Help yourself and others become less dependent on this system, because that is the only way to actually challenge what is coming. If enough people do that then they will need to reel it back to something more reasonable. And if not, then at least there is an alternative system in place for those of us that are not joining the matrix.
Or just keep spouting retarded shit all day, every day and chimping out.
Ah, gotcha. The "hiring" was in reference to the post you responded to a couple up about job postings (anything with a job posting is going to be H1B, which you probably know).
I agree on the big body shops (InfoSys, GGK, et al), those are largely L1, but you don't really see that kind of wholesale replacement of local IT staff with Indians anymore. Still plenty of onsite staff-aug in like DC area, but things have really shifted remote since covid, and even before that the trend in foreign staff-aug was to just outsource to WiPro, etc., with foreign resources still living in their home countries (I was seeing a lot of Kenya).
Where I'm at now they've started using Central and South America with the workers never leaving their countries (easier than India and Africa because same time zones).
Anyways, point is, it doesn't really matter the visa program, or the outsourcing method, the abuse of them all will accelerate. At this point I don't believe there is a solution in the system, it is completely captured and being pillaged and plundered before collapse.
To me, the fight should be about what lies on the other side of the (multi-stage, largely orchestrated) collapse. Building out parallel economies, systems and networks now makes it so they can't as easily force everyone into their "solution". Best case, that means they must compromise on the bad stuff. Worst case is at least we have something in place to survive outside of their system until they start coming after us.
Yes lol. There are many ways for the Jews to brown America.
This is new information to me. Thanks for that. After reading through all of the comments, I think you are on to something.
Wow, I saw the beginning of your title and started to get triggered... did not know about the L1. That's no bueno.
good shit, I didn't even know L1 was a thing