But you're also claiming that other scientists and physicists agree with what you're saying, so that's what I'm looking to verify. None that I have found, both modern and classical, seem to agree with what you're sharing.
Just consider the pencil (or the finger, if you insist) - nothing else. And try to answer the question i asked about it.
Again, there is no pencil in this scenario, only the finger superglued to the bottle on the side closest to me. There is no push in this scenario.
Part of your difficulty understanding is coming from overcomplication
I'm attempting to keep it as simple as possible by having an example with the finger and the bottle only.
Can you answer the question of how my finger is pushing the bottle towards me, without adding any other element (such as a pencil) to the scenario?
But you're also claiming that other scientists and physicists agree with what you're saying
That's true, the vast majority of them throughout history do (all those who ascribe to classical deterministic physics).
None that I have found, both modern and classical, seem to agree with what you're sharing.
Then you haven't looked hard enough, and/or far enough back.
As i said, it hardly matters. As if you reading about any historical physicist espousing this view (of which there are a great many) would do any good at all.
Again, there is no pencil in this scenario, only the finger superglued to the bottle on the side closest to me. There is no push in this scenario.
No, that is all too complicated for you. Start simpler. Just a pencil, just a finger. One object - don't complicate it with others, it's just confusing you.
Can you answer the question of how my finger is pushing the bottle towards me, without adding any other element (such as a pencil) to the scenario?
Yes, and i have - but you didn't understand it. Perhaps you could go back and re-read the answers i have given as well as earnestly try to answer the questions i've asked (which you sadly ignored) in order to elucidate (such as the one two comments ago, which i reminded you to answer in the previous comment).
But you're also claiming that other scientists and physicists agree with what you're saying, so that's what I'm looking to verify. None that I have found, both modern and classical, seem to agree with what you're sharing.
Again, there is no pencil in this scenario, only the finger superglued to the bottle on the side closest to me. There is no push in this scenario.
I'm attempting to keep it as simple as possible by having an example with the finger and the bottle only.
Can you answer the question of how my finger is pushing the bottle towards me, without adding any other element (such as a pencil) to the scenario?
That's true, the vast majority of them throughout history do (all those who ascribe to classical deterministic physics).
Then you haven't looked hard enough, and/or far enough back.
As i said, it hardly matters. As if you reading about any historical physicist espousing this view (of which there are a great many) would do any good at all.
No, that is all too complicated for you. Start simpler. Just a pencil, just a finger. One object - don't complicate it with others, it's just confusing you.
Yes, and i have - but you didn't understand it. Perhaps you could go back and re-read the answers i have given as well as earnestly try to answer the questions i've asked (which you sadly ignored) in order to elucidate (such as the one two comments ago, which i reminded you to answer in the previous comment).