The point is that nothing has changed (except the direction)
That's exactly the point. We're talking about two opposite forces acting in different directions, push vs pull.
The pushing rope/pencil example doesn't apply to when the fingertip is stuck to the side of the glass closest to you, because that's precisely the difference between push and pull.
In the glued finger example, your finger is the handle
The finger is not the handle. It's a part of the body that is exerting the pulling force.
Have you genuinely never heard of the concept of pulling?
We're talking about two opposite forces acting in different directions, push vs pull.
No, we are talking about identical forces! Only the direction relative to you has changed. Our viewing perspective (or that of any other observer) does not change the physics, despite colloquial suggestion to the contrary with distinctions like push and pull.
because that's precisely the difference between push and pull.
Right! Only a distinction of arbitrary relative perspective - not a physical reality in any way. Same forces, just a different direction. Call it anything you wish. A rose by any other name...
The finger is not the handle
That analogy/simile is only to help you conceptualize. The fact that you are avoiding the example with the pencil shows that you understand. So if you cut your finger off, would it suddenly NOT be the handle that the pencil is in the example you're avoiding?
Have you genuinely never heard of the concept of pulling?
Lol. In my view, and that of classical/deterministic physics - there is no pulling. There is only pushing towards and pushing away - pull is an illusion / arbitrary colloquial distinction with no reality in physics. Billiard balls can't pull. There is no mechanism for pulling in traditional physics (or indeed, even in modern physics).
That's exactly the point. We're talking about two opposite forces acting in different directions, push vs pull.
The pushing rope/pencil example doesn't apply to when the fingertip is stuck to the side of the glass closest to you, because that's precisely the difference between push and pull.
The finger is not the handle. It's a part of the body that is exerting the pulling force.
Have you genuinely never heard of the concept of pulling?
Agreed.
No, we are talking about identical forces! Only the direction relative to you has changed. Our viewing perspective (or that of any other observer) does not change the physics, despite colloquial suggestion to the contrary with distinctions like push and pull.
Right! Only a distinction of arbitrary relative perspective - not a physical reality in any way. Same forces, just a different direction. Call it anything you wish. A rose by any other name...
That analogy/simile is only to help you conceptualize. The fact that you are avoiding the example with the pencil shows that you understand. So if you cut your finger off, would it suddenly NOT be the handle that the pencil is in the example you're avoiding?
Lol. In my view, and that of classical/deterministic physics - there is no pulling. There is only pushing towards and pushing away - pull is an illusion / arbitrary colloquial distinction with no reality in physics. Billiard balls can't pull. There is no mechanism for pulling in traditional physics (or indeed, even in modern physics).