As i said, at this point it is just more distraction. Let's try to stay focused on the one/current topic for now, and circle back.
So previously when you said it was "pushing" downward, was that just because you misunderstood that all force is pushing force?
I'm not sure i understand the question you are trying to ask. I am of the view that all forces are "pushing" forces, and that is the reason i omitted the word "pushing" from my description of your view that all (pushing) forces do so from behind, and thought the two statements equivalent (from my perspective). That's all - it was merely a rider to the apology so you would understand that there was no intention to deliberately mischaracterize your position.
Or do you still consider it to be a pushing force?
As i said, in my view all forces are pushing forces.
Eventually there is matter on top. What is pushing that? Its own weight pushing from within?
If you like, you may go all "zeno's paradox" on it and imagine the matter itself as infinitely divisible - if it helps you to understand/conceptualize. Most of these musings have only been for your benefit; to accommodate your self imposed arbitrary conventions. The matter above the matter on top of the object also pushes down upon it, if that helps you.
The matter itself has an intrinsic property called weight. That weight is what "pushes" down when the matter is heavier than the media it displaces.
We are not talking about an object at rest,
I am! And if there was some confusion about that, let's start with that example to discuss. Moving the object makes things needlessly more complicated.
we are talking about matter being "pushed" in a direction (downward)
We are talking about matter (which, because its weight is greater than that of the media it displaces, is) pushing in a downward direction with its weight. It does this at rest, sitting on a scale where we measure that weight.
As i said, at this point it is just more distraction. Let's try to stay focused on the one/current topic for now, and circle back.
I'm not sure i understand the question you are trying to ask. I am of the view that all forces are "pushing" forces, and that is the reason i omitted the word "pushing" from my description of your view that all (pushing) forces do so from behind, and thought the two statements equivalent (from my perspective). That's all - it was merely a rider to the apology so you would understand that there was no intention to deliberately mischaracterize your position.
As i said, in my view all forces are pushing forces.
If you like, you may go all "zeno's paradox" on it and imagine the matter itself as infinitely divisible - if it helps you to understand/conceptualize. Most of these musings have only been for your benefit; to accommodate your self imposed arbitrary conventions. The matter above the matter on top of the object also pushes down upon it, if that helps you.
The matter itself has an intrinsic property called weight. That weight is what "pushes" down when the matter is heavier than the media it displaces.
I am! And if there was some confusion about that, let's start with that example to discuss. Moving the object makes things needlessly more complicated.
We are talking about matter (which, because its weight is greater than that of the media it displaces, is) pushing in a downward direction with its weight. It does this at rest, sitting on a scale where we measure that weight.