This have nothing to do with reality. Again. Where did you get all that bullshit?
"Propiska" was kind of household ownership certificate in your ID named "passport". It meant that you have a right to live in that household and have access to local services. Some government services, like car registration, f,e. was available only at place of your living. Most public services, like medicine, education or whatever was available everywhere, regardless of that stamp in passport. In rare special cases "propiska" could limit movement only to so-called "closed" towns where top secret military factories resided. Only those who had households in such towns (and so proper "propiska" stamp in passport) was allowed to came in. Inhabitants of such towns was free to travel anywhere and in no way was restricted to leave the town. How that rare case could be used to make a conclusion about global restrictive nature of "propiska" is out of my imagination.
USSR internal passport had nothing to do with limits on movement. It was just ID and was rarely needed in everyday life. If you moved you had to get a new "propiska" stamp. It was not that government permit you to move, it was like you inform government about your new household. Really, people hate that thing, because it was time consuming, with all that lines and gathering papers with stamps in different offices, but something tell me that people hate governement services all around the world for exactly same reason, regardless of country, political system and so on.
Rural inhabitants without passports just don't needed them. There was no any need for any "permit" for anybody to travel or move anywhere since mid-30s when Jewish Bolsheviks was exterminated by Stalin. One of my grandfathers was a worker at a state farm, deep in rural area, he had no passport or any documents at all except secondary education certificate and birth certificate. Once he decided to continue his education in university in Moscow, he just laid off from farm, get train to Moscow, passed exams and become a student. He got a passport only few years later, just in case, not because it was necessary for something.
Funny, AFAIK, in USA you need SSN and/or driver license to do most things with government and even private banks and other services, and have to, say, register your car in the state you permanently live, you can't permanently live in NY and drive a car with Texas plates. How is it different from USSR internal passport system? SSN is named SSN and not a "passport" and that somehow makes SSN acceptible and soviet passport awful?
Really, I think humans don't need all that ID shit and should nor be forced to have one, nor limited to have only one, it is needed only by state, so it is a purely state problem, not a problem of individual and state could GTFO and resolve its own problem by itself.
But regarding some extraordinary evilness of Soviet passport in comparison to USA SSN, European passports/IDs and other similar stuff around the world, it is complete bullshit. It is the same thing, just named "passport" in USSR.
Yeah Idk. I mean there is soo much on the Soviet passport. What comes up if you search? I could share hundreds of articles like this. https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/8464?lang=en
But yeah the ss is kind of bs. You are supposed to get a new ID if you move but lots of people don't. You could get a ticket for the wrong plates but it would take a long time and they would have to notice you aren't just traveling. Eventually though you have to get a registration for your car so yeah it gets updated. The difference would be if these articles are correct and the amount of restrictions along w it. Part of me agrees all ID is bs but why do we have it and agree to it? The bad eggs of society...right? The people who have hit and runs, criminals, murderers, scammers ect to ID them . I've come to this conclusion until humanity can learn to control themselves and be decent to each other we will be forever enslaved.
If man can't rule himself he will be ruled.
Yeah Idk. I mean there is soo much on the Soviet passport. What comes up if you search?
Why should I search anything about Soviet passport? I had one and lived noticeable part of my life with it.
What makes that soviet passport so different from any other ID used in other countries for exactly same things? Is it its form of a small book, or its naming? Why USA driver license demanded even to buy a beer in a grocery is OK, but somehow Soviet passport that was used mostly same way is suddenly something awful? We didn't have many cars in USSR, so driver license was not a thing everybody had. Interesting, if a USA citizen do not have driver license, how he could buy a bottle of beer or whiskey? What ID would he show to the cashier to prove he is adult enough to buy it? Or driver license is mandatory for every American? Or he will be denied?
What Dutch International Institute of Social History could know about USSR at all? And for some reason I'm shure that this Kessler guy never even visited USSR. He began to lie from the first sentences. Soviet passport never was "restrictive" and there was no any "urban residence permit". And for completely unknown reason (it is sarcasm, meanwhile), I never heard that somebody from the West named German Anmeldung as "urban residence permit". Where could I find an articles about horrors of "urban residence permit" in modern Germany? Again, we didn't even need to show any ID to buy a ticket and travel around all country even by planes. Soviet people even don't need any ID to open a bank account - it named "bearer account". Tell me please, in what country could I open an anonymous bank account without any ID today?
As for all that ID thing - criminals have no problems with fake IDs, so IDs are shurely for identifying and surveling over normal people.
This have nothing to do with reality. Again. Where did you get all that bullshit?
"Propiska" was kind of household ownership certificate in your ID named "passport". It meant that you have a right to live in that household and have access to local services. Some government services, like car registration, f,e. was available only at place of your living. Most public services, like medicine, education or whatever was available everywhere, regardless of that stamp in passport. In rare special cases "propiska" could limit movement only to so-called "closed" towns where top secret military factories resided. Only those who had households in such towns (and so proper "propiska" stamp in passport) was allowed to came in. Inhabitants of such towns was free to travel anywhere and in no way was restricted to leave the town. How that rare case could be used to make a conclusion about global restrictive nature of "propiska" is out of my imagination.
USSR internal passport had nothing to do with limits on movement. It was just ID and was rarely needed in everyday life. If you moved you had to get a new "propiska" stamp. It was not that government permit you to move, it was like you inform government about your new household. Really, people hate that thing, because it was time consuming, with all that lines and gathering papers with stamps in different offices, but something tell me that people hate governement services all around the world for exactly same reason, regardless of country, political system and so on.
Rural inhabitants without passports just don't needed them. There was no any need for any "permit" for anybody to travel or move anywhere since mid-30s when Jewish Bolsheviks was exterminated by Stalin. One of my grandfathers was a worker at a state farm, deep in rural area, he had no passport or any documents at all except secondary education certificate and birth certificate. Once he decided to continue his education in university in Moscow, he just laid off from farm, get train to Moscow, passed exams and become a student. He got a passport only few years later, just in case, not because it was necessary for something.
Funny, AFAIK, in USA you need SSN and/or driver license to do most things with government and even private banks and other services, and have to, say, register your car in the state you permanently live, you can't permanently live in NY and drive a car with Texas plates. How is it different from USSR internal passport system? SSN is named SSN and not a "passport" and that somehow makes SSN acceptible and soviet passport awful?
Really, I think humans don't need all that ID shit and should nor be forced to have one, nor limited to have only one, it is needed only by state, so it is a purely state problem, not a problem of individual and state could GTFO and resolve its own problem by itself.
But regarding some extraordinary evilness of Soviet passport in comparison to USA SSN, European passports/IDs and other similar stuff around the world, it is complete bullshit. It is the same thing, just named "passport" in USSR.
Yeah Idk. I mean there is soo much on the Soviet passport. What comes up if you search? I could share hundreds of articles like this. https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/8464?lang=en But yeah the ss is kind of bs. You are supposed to get a new ID if you move but lots of people don't. You could get a ticket for the wrong plates but it would take a long time and they would have to notice you aren't just traveling. Eventually though you have to get a registration for your car so yeah it gets updated. The difference would be if these articles are correct and the amount of restrictions along w it. Part of me agrees all ID is bs but why do we have it and agree to it? The bad eggs of society...right? The people who have hit and runs, criminals, murderers, scammers ect to ID them . I've come to this conclusion until humanity can learn to control themselves and be decent to each other we will be forever enslaved. If man can't rule himself he will be ruled.
Why should I search anything about Soviet passport? I had one and lived noticeable part of my life with it.
What makes that soviet passport so different from any other ID used in other countries for exactly same things? Is it its form of a small book, or its naming? Why USA driver license demanded even to buy a beer in a grocery is OK, but somehow Soviet passport that was used mostly same way is suddenly something awful? We didn't have many cars in USSR, so driver license was not a thing everybody had. Interesting, if a USA citizen do not have driver license, how he could buy a bottle of beer or whiskey? What ID would he show to the cashier to prove he is adult enough to buy it? Or driver license is mandatory for every American? Or he will be denied?
What Dutch International Institute of Social History could know about USSR at all? And for some reason I'm shure that this Kessler guy never even visited USSR. He began to lie from the first sentences. Soviet passport never was "restrictive" and there was no any "urban residence permit". And for completely unknown reason (it is sarcasm, meanwhile), I never heard that somebody from the West named German Anmeldung as "urban residence permit". Where could I find an articles about horrors of "urban residence permit" in modern Germany? Again, we didn't even need to show any ID to buy a ticket and travel around all country even by planes. Soviet people even don't need any ID to open a bank account - it named "bearer account". Tell me please, in what country could I open an anonymous bank account without any ID today?
As for all that ID thing - criminals have no problems with fake IDs, so IDs are shurely for identifying and surveling over normal people.