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News like this, shows what? (www.nbcnews.com)
posted 2 years ago by Ep0ch 2 years ago by Ep0ch +8 / -1
Ukraine and its supporters worry about losing control of the narrative
Some U.S. officials are frustrated at the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has gained less than 100 square miles of territory.
www.nbcnews.com
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– Ep0ch [S] -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

On your point on NATO beating Russia it's been the pacman of former satellites. So it won in that regard. But aside from this they did win a previous proxy war against Russia. Finland.

However. Here, Ukraine, it's vastly different. The location, the history, the tactics.

The endgame is what? It cannot win. Not decisively. Nukes. It can fund it. Until more proxy wars erupt, splintering, globally. Funding it, hasn't bought anything except increasing escalation, more funding, a polarised globe, and greater loss of life. How much further does it escalate remains to be seen. Although concurrently and at no foreseeable end will Ukraine cause anything else. If it seeks immediate peace it has been pointless. Ukraine will have lost. As any terms won't seek Ukrainian demands.

Escalation might cause direct NATO involvement. It is currently the only way there is a winner sooner rather than a lengthy war of attrition. Where it will have left the dead for much longer. But risks all out war.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

So it won in that regard.

Kind of. This happened many times, but eventually always ended in Russia growth in territory.

But aside from this they did win a previous proxy war against Russia. Finland.

It was Russian Empire who liberated Finns from Swedes in the first place. It was Russians who gifted soverenity and statehood to the Finns. Some tensions started only after Bolshevik Revolution, And no, Finland in no way won that war. Finland lost 10% of land to the USSR, including town of Vyborg as a result of that war, if you are not aware, but eventually, after WWII Finland was pretty friendly to the USSR, even regardless of narrative and losses. And again, after USSR fall, some tensions arised between Finland and Russia, but again they was quickly resolved up to the state when there was nearly no border and it was regular weekend entertainment for locals to ride for shopping in each other towns. Got the obvious pattern? Project it to current situation. Finns by themselves, perfectly fine with Russians. It is Western elites trying to use any chance to use Finland against Russia.

The location, the history, the tactics.

Not really. Western elites tribe is extremely conservative in their methods. If you take a look in a history of Finland, especially on how it was influenced to become hostile to Russia, you will find a lot of similarities with everything in Ukraine. Suddenly, you even find representatives of same tribe that infiltrate and began to pull the strings of their victim. Even rethorics of Finland president of the time of Soveit-Finland war was pretty similar to current rethoric of Zelenskiy. Because it is just from the same source, as simple as that.

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– Ep0ch [S] -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

I thought there was a war with Finland after WW2, not Finland siding with Germany in WW2, involving Russia where Finland gained territory. Funded by Europe? Apology if wrong but I thought it was later. Not the continuation war in WW2?

Yes prior Finland broke away from Sweden aided by Russia in the 1800s.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I thought there was a war with Finland after WW2

No, there was a war before WW2. Started in 1939 after clashes on the USSR-Finland border and ended in 1940 with Findland loss of land critical for USSR defence, especially around Leningrad(S.Petersburg).

After WW2 Finland was defeated along with Axis, and left for themself. Soon, Finland become one of the closest trade partner with USSR among capitalist countries.

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– Ep0ch [S] 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Ended in 1941, wasnt the winter war in 1944 or the continuation war?

I thought there was something later in 1950 or 55? Finland expanded.

Not simply a stretched Soviet front rushing into Germany, made a truce with Finland already breaking away from Germany, but preventing invasion and communism. Although losing territory.

They did indeed, practically an open border, after the break up of the USSR. Now it's closed again.

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