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Yes Viking tribes dominated the area, during the period I refer too. They have been found all over the region with settlements in the Balitics and Western Russia as far in as Siberia.
Wasn't it also St.Olga who united the Northern and Southern Slavs?
But her grandson Vladimir moved Christendom into Moscow centralising it.
Prior to the Mongols, the Tartars sacked Moscow.
The first Czars were the Ivans. After that the defeat of the Mongols, Russia quickly formed, and from other great Czars expanding influence and its borders. Etc.
We were talking about the Church, Christianity founding Russia.
I had thought there was something more, previously, but it has been a very long time since revisiting this topic. Something more?
Vikings never get further than Karelia region. It is more than 2000km from Siberia. Vikings even failed to create any presence in White Sea.
It was not because Russians defeated Vikings or whatever. Vikings was much more interested in North-Western regions, because of warmer climate due to Golfstream so even reached North America. Climate of Nothern Russia is more severe than Viking's original habitat, so there was just no any sense for them to expand to the North-East.
Russians trade with Vikings and of course fight with them seizing their ships and goods in Baltic region. So there is nothing strange that trophys could be found on the Russian territory. Just like presence of Russian artifacts in Sweden and Norway, or in East Germany does not mean ancient Russians controlled of seized that lands.
Hahahahaha. I can see why you're being moody. You don't like the Danes.
Okay it was Alexander the Great. I mean how did that turn out. He obviously influenced the Mongols.
But you argued it wasn't the Greeks. Despite the Greek missionaries converting St.Olga.
I still don't understand why it is so important for you to believe that Russian civilisation can't be independent from all that Western crap that means nothing for us. Believe it, if you wish, but don't try to sell that crap to others. You will look insane.
That maps are just bullshit. There was no any Tartaria or whatever.
You will not find any toponymic mentioning "tartar" or "Tartaria" at all in that places. Sanskrit toponyms exist. Russian toponyms exist. Tatar toponyms exist. You will find even Ugro-finnish toponyms here. But not a single thing named after "large and mighty Tartaria".
This means only one thing - cartgraphers never was in that places in person.
Τάρταρος (tartaros) is ancient Greek name of worst place in Hell. It is just a scary word. That simple.
Russian lands was terra incognita for western cartographers. They just acquire few local maps from Russian merchants in Europe, or draw something from their words, combine it somehow and just think out all other things to sell the map to customer, perfectly knowing that customer will never reach that distant lands. Maps with "Here live dragons" or "Grand Tartaria" (Big Scary Hell) writing on it sell themselves much better.
Moscow started as a monastery. The same Greek monks converting St.Olga went to convert the Northern Slav tribes she united, and the Vikings who were the people there then in the Baltics, North Western Russia.
The tribes of horselords, the tartary, were there since the dawn of man and are still there today, they united at historic points where it took great leaders rallying them, Alexander the Great, or Atilla, or Genghis. Otherwise they were nomadic clans of warlords. They didn't stay in one place around civilization expanding into bullshit narratives, they migrated across the plains and steppes along historic migratory trade routes spanning the planet.
No, you. You're stuck in a mindset that doesn't want to puzzle over it connecting the obvious dots.
You're so belligerent it's laughable. The Black Sea for example didn't populate like the Med, because the Greeks were idiots? At what point? How far East did they go? Alexander the Great is in Kazakhstan definitely Kyrgyzstan.
He never was on the territory of Russia. Even close. His voyage to the East passed below Black Sea.
First, Greeks are not Romans. Second, accepting some religion does not mean "creating state". Vladimir chose religion from many options. He invited priests of all known to him religions - Muslim, Judaic, Catholic, Orthodox, Zoroastry, Buddhism and few others and finally chose Orthodox Christianity.
Is it so hard to believe that somebody could exist on its own and not be someone else vassal or creature? Russian civilisation is separate and independent phenomena. Just like American Natives or India. Deal with it.
Alexander the Great traversed the known World. Kazakhstan has him? The horselords spanned turkic script. Mongolia to Morocco. That trade route dates back a very very long time. How did we get chickens and sheep?
However he had influence on the next tribes that followed, Huns and Mongols. But the Scythians. Scythians Ukraine, Russia, peoples of the Steppes.
Speculative. His tomb was desecrated and never found. However what is found is his name.
The Greeks were in the Black Sea for a long time.
Vladimir set up Christianity in Moscow. It started as a monastery.
I will upset a few with that. But I am not wrong. The trade route also went into South East Asia. Calamity for Alexander the Great. Turkic script however and those horselords were around for much much longer and are still there on the Steppes today. Alexander the Great obviously influenced them as found in Kazakhstan.
You are so obsessed with "influence" that just ignore everything that is known about historical events.
Alexander the Great Macedonian never was above Black Sea.
He is nobody for Russian history, just like he is nobody for Mayan history, or for the history of some alien extraterrestrial race. Just because he is absolutely irrelevant for us.
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Choose any map, or find your own. Locate Black Sea. Find that Alexander do not even tried to reach Nothern side of Black Sea or Caspian Sea or cross Caucasus mountains.
Russia is a separate, independent, self-created civilisation with its own history, traditions, culture and so on. And it never give a single fuck to any "important" historical figure or formation that are honoured as founders of the West. All that Western and Eastern Emperors, Kings, Khans, Kagans, Popes with their Empires, Kingdoms, Kaganates, Hordes, whatever. They all are just some external curiosities for Russians, nothing more.
If something or somebody is very important and significant for you and your self-determination, that does not mean that it will be anyhow important or significant for others.
Deal with it.
Stop it. Get it through your head. I am not wrong.
The trade route I refer to has evidence. Seashells from India in Siberia. Mummies in Siberia, Northern China. It was traverse for over 10k years. Morocco to Mongolia. Below was Indonesia running another trade route.
Scythians were the people there in Alexander the Great's day. They were in Ukraine and Russia and on the Steppes of Asia. They spread Turkic Script. Hungary, Mongolia, along the Steppes. The freaking language you confused with Sanskrit. They are the horselords. Yes evidence of Alexander the Great is in Kazakhstan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2017/inside-the-worlds-largest-walnut-forest/
I am quite sure evidence in Kazakhstan as well. Harder finding it. It upsets a few people. Like the Chinese. Who have scrubbed the Red hair mummies.
Stop with what you think you know, you don't.
We have concentric narratives wrote in little scripts. Rome invented Iron. Everybody else was clay. But the fact is it's much older than that.
So what? Inhabitants of Siberia traded with South?
Scythians was one of many nomadic tribes in that region like Kimmerians, Alans, Gypsies, Sarmats and so on. They do not have towns, state or anything resembling any statehood. Scythians originated from Persia where Alexander could meet them. Also they roam on the Balkans where could cross with Greeks. They left nothing except their burial mounts and few rudimentary settlements they built in Crimea just before extinction in attempt to end with nomadic lifestyle in favor of agriculture, but that didn't work out for them. Even jewerly they had was made by other etnicities. They spoke on a language derived from Persian, that iiself much farther from Sanskrit than Russain. Russian language have some borrowed words coming from Persian language, but they are mostly names of commodities Russans traded from Persians.
Fact that Alexander Macedonian could meet some Scythians somewhere in Persia or Balkans, does not mean that he have something to do with Russian state or history. And all that Scythians extincted, like many other nomadic tribes leaving absolutely nothing useful or important for Russia.
Kazakhstan become de-facto part of Russian Empire only in second half of 19 century. Before that there even was a kind of frontier, armored and enforced border protecting Russian towns Omsk, Semipalatinsk, Pavlodar and other from Kazakh forays.
Alexander is nobody for Russian history. Zero. Deal with it.
Yawn, you're as dumb as a mule. You have a very closed mind.
The inhabitants of Southern India, Kerla, where these seashells are from, look it up, Hindu, sanskrit, but importantly where the spice trade, traded with Ancient Egypt, and Arabia.
Nomadic like Alexander's Macedonian tribes on the Balkans, Scythians are also in the Ukraine directly above it, or right there on the Black Sea.
Persia where Aryans come from? Wrong, they aren't Persians. Afghanistan has always hated Persia. Historically a different kingdom. It had influence at one point. But so did the Mongols. The Scythians were horselords.
No, they had Turkic script one of the Planet's oldest languages, it is so profound, a famous Hungarian anthropologist, it's the old Hungarian language before the latin, turn of last century was able to understand Swahili and Aborigines before their languages were translated. It's also in the same region to Mongolia.
Aside from this, what didn't you understand it was explanatory. You're being belligerent for the sake of it and I repeating myself constantly. Look it up. You're understanding history from that was Egyptian then Assyrian then Persian then Greek then Roman and you're focused on these other smaller domains leaving out swathes of history to fit into a tidied little concentric narrative. But it has swept obvious occurrence under the rug. The globe was much bigger and it connects. Prior to Roman patenting. Those trade routes are much older. So are the people in them. They didn't come out of Africa either.
Kazakhstan was part of the Tartary in 1800s maps, it went from Mongolia along the steppes to Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan? Probably one the biggest land areas on the Planet, then. Of the former Mongols and horselords. They had their own Warlords and whatever, and Afghanistan had the Khmer Empire then?
China was also a lot different then.