Hold on now. I see the same questions I asked when I was questioning Christianity.
Christianity seems ill equipped to deal with the modern evil of the world. Turning the cheek only promises your demise unto your grave.
Is that really so? Have you seen a person so angry that they to hurt someone less powerful then them, but when they realize that the person is not fighting back (turning the other cheek), something inside them forces them to stop and reevaluate their actions? What I am saying is, are you sure that God's way doesn't actually lead to salvation? Jesus died on the Cross, yet, God could've just killed everyone who hurt him, right? But there was this one centurion (meaning Roman soldier) that pierced Jesus with his spear (to confirm he was dead), and from his body went blood and water??? And the Roman centurion became a believe at that very spot. Who else can bleed water from their body? I know it sounds amazing... but that's what God is - unattainable for us to understand. Beyond our comprehension. Think about it - We were not perfect, but why do we wish for a world that is perfect. We were not pure, yet why do we wish to have a world of purity? We were not truthful, yet why do we wish to have a world of truth?
Jesus died and 2000 years later he is called a KING and people are ready to die for him. Do you make your plans as "I will die for this cause, but perhaps 2000 years from now people around the world - both jews and gentiles will call me king"?
So, sorry for the reply on your first question, but turning the other cheek has proven benefits: It reaches to the person's consciousness... When you don't make them stop, something inside them makes them stop. And they really listen to that voice when you turn the other cheek.
I know it is hard to submit in full to God, I haven't done that... but I am trying. We have all watched those superman, batman, w/e man that have superpowers... meaning they try to imitate God. Isn't the devil the main instrument in creating them? Check the first 2 minutes of this - https://www.bitchute.com/video/vxevo3jsJyKI/ (The intros are 1:10 minutes long, just skip them, bitchute doesn't save a time-stamp)
"Your messiah was nailed to a cross and if you continue to turn the cheek your children are going to be persecuted too." - They were. I will try to reduce my answers to compensate for the long first reply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGHI-b1fsPM
"Christianity takes glory in persecution just like the black takes joy in crying racism or goblin Greenblatt takes joy in crying holocaust at the ADL." - You confuse the Roman Catholic Church for Actual Christianity. Please study history. Every True Christian knows the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ written in the Bible. Read the Bible.
"The churches locked down when government told them to and put masks on when government told them to. You subscribe to a higher God but do whatever the fuck government tells you to?" - Christians don't comply to Churches, nor Governments. It is written in the Bible that we should stay away from the multitude. Our Higher God is Great Morals, just like Great Morals is our Higher God. That's what God is! God is the Ultimate Truth, and when I tell a lie, I know I have made a mistake. But when I spot a lie, I know the other person has made a mistake. Do you see my point? God is The Greatest Ideal in Moral Values.
"Muslims would sooner stone a sodomite than a Christian. Yet the Christian looks down upon the Muslim. Yet in the Christian community, transsexual pedophiles dressed in drag perform sexual dances and read gay stories to children in the public library." - You clearly are buying what the media wants to tell you that a Christian is, or what a Muslim is... You never read the Bible or the Quran. I posted recently a video where a Quran and Christian scholar has turned a Muslim away from Christianity... Because he only quoted the twisted texts from the Quran and people are realizing their Moral Values don't align with the Quran. Btw, Muhammed was a Jesuit agent sent in the 7th century to fabricate the wars between the Muslims and the Catholic Church. Early controlled opposition. Very effective, because the land was where Christianity was evolving. Yet, as you can clearly see, unsuccessful. Anyway, long discussion for another time. Research history, the templar/muslim wars, the Bible, and the Quran for more details.
"Christians believe they are saved by the blood sacrifice of another. Why does God's forgiveness require suffering and pain and murder?" - Again, read the Bible. What you suffered in life is not even comparable to what God has suffered from his own children. If I were you, I would keep that tongue behind my teeth before I learn more on the God I dare to insult... Really, read the Bible. I know I am getting annoying with that, but this book is truly magical. The power of the devil comes from that to make you hate the Bible and never read it. Yet, if it is truly the Holy Grimoire, the Truth should leap right at your face. REMEMBER! God wants you to be his child! He cares about you more than any parent has ever cared about you! Don't let the Roman Catholic Church use Guilt to fake a different image of their god... God is loving! He is Merciful! He is Your Father! Just read on Jesus - this is God in the flesh, or Emmanuel a.k.a. "God walks among us".
Life is pain and suffering. You must read the etymology on the word "pathos". It means "suffering". Just like empathy or EM + pathos means the add-suffering of another. Or sympathy, meaning Sym + pathos is the co-suffering or another. If you want to truly point the finger at the ones that made this world a suffering - point it at the Satanists, not God. God created a perfect garden that humans ruined... Humans and the snake. You should really read the Bible. It will make much more sense, if you try to seek sense in it. Not when you try to seek imperfections in it.
"Why are you told to eat the flesh of Jesus? Is this cannibalism? Some more weird occult symbolism? Why are you drinking another man's blood?" - Catholic propaganda. Do you know "Hocus Pocus" comes from Lutherans that disagreed that the bread is the body of Christ and Catholics were making a scam? Just like hocus pocus? I don't have space to explain, please research that additionally.
"Why do Christians pick and choose which parts of the old testament they like/ Some parts are in cont" - Incorrect. I told you already about bad Christians. I am a bad Christian. I don't follow all rules by God. I try to, but they are really hard at times. The ones, who pick are evil. The ones, who feel guilty because they don't follow them, are also evil I guess, but at least they would speak about them.
"True Christians don't do that..."
Well who gets to say who is the true Christian? Who isn't? Which of the 500+ denominations is the "true Christian"? - THE BOOK. I haven't underlined that so much? Cmon... I knew you were not reading what I wrote in full. Now you expose yourself. The Book is magic. Are you really unable to test that for one second? Read from the BOOK! Do you expect your eyes to fall out or something? All my arguments can never match the scripture! That's why many Christians will quote the Bible... Well, I don't know it so well to quote it. But are you afraid of the BOOK? If you want to understand what true Christian is - Read From the Book! Please! In the worst case, it is just a book. In the best case, you will find the power and direction in life that you need. I cannot answer these questions about "true Christians". I am not one. I know many would like to say they are ones, but they are not... And the book shows why... We are all trying to be good Christians... Don't expect me to defend the perfect Christians, as I am NOT one of them. I try to be good, but I fall short. Read about Jesus, he was a perfect Christian.
"Yes I have bottled up rage and thirst to exact justice. Because Christians haven't been on the fucking job. In white Christian civilization everything devolves into hell rapidly because Christians turn muh cheek. Tolerance is a false virtue taught in christian churches as much as it is through democrat indoctrination centers." - Do you want me to disagree with that? :D It is the same reason I am trying to force myself to post against common insults to defend the truth... BUT I must disagree with that comment "white Christian civilization"... I would like for you to investigate who was the originator of respecting women more than cattle in history... Of course, Jesus showed the way, but apparently the white Christian civilization followed. Just so you know the topic you speak of... You were born out of a Mother, were you not? Chivalry is a... how did you say it? "white Christian civilization" kind of a thing... Careful. Some of the arguments that you use I can let slide, but some are reaching the line... But you admit that rage, so I can see myself in that situation... Still, I was raised mainly by women, so I kinda take it personally. Just research Chivalry and compare it to other nations. I don't promote white race, I just say that whites are lucky that Jesus's followers chose to walk among them.
"True Christians impale the perpetrators of evil. You end up on a pike before i end up on a cross. No turning the cheek. No waiting for eventual rapture for another thousand years. The time is now. We take back our freedom today. No white hats. No q-tard hopium. No one day Jesus will come back and not be martyred this time." - Incorrect. The Roman Church and the Spanish Inquisition do NOT represent Christianity - READ THE BOOK. Sorry for the caps, but that's my main argument. Jesus stands against those acts, why would you attribute them to God, but fail to see the Satanists behind this plan??
"Would it not be more reverent of God to take action now? If Christianity were a scam, they'd want you to turn the cheek and do nothing for another thousand years." - Careful. I hope to raise some awareness in you that it is not safe to speak about God that you don't understand. I have done this and I fear my judgement on that topic. You seem to speak freely on topic that you never investigated... I have been in your place. I cursed God. I HONESTLY can tell you - don't repeat my mistake. Is a fkin book so hard to read??!?! Please read the Bible before you speak about God you never understood! You speak so freely because you don't expect God to smite you this second... But would you speak freely insults about a Father that Loves you and Waits for your to Return to His Family? Careful, pal. Let's make a deal - you speak against Christianity when you read the Book! Insult Christians, insult me, but before you insult Christianity, the Father, or the Son - you read the book! Deal?!
Christians will just turn the other cheek. God is loving, caring, and patient... should you continue to insult him??? Are you BRAVE for insulting someone who is totally ready to forgive you? Wow, so much power... I've had enough of it! How about you read about the God you so fearlessly insult? Would you insult in the same way the mother that gave birth to you? Seriously. I know you get angry, and I have been at your place, but make less mistakes in a single comment, please! Insult me for not being accurate about Christianity. Insult the fake Christians all around. But to insult God before you know him??? Why??? Anyway, I hope you think on that one and I have to waste more space to UNDERLINE THAT YOU SHOULD READ THE BIBLE!
"Obviously when the colonialists fled the Catholic Church of Europe they were fleeing persecution and the corruption of the Christian church establishment. Don't get suckered into another thousand years of serfdom and cheek turning." - Well, this is another topic that shows the internal conflicts of Churches that obeyed the Bible and Catholic Churches... Martin Luther is one example. And I used up all the space...
Thank you again for your response and effort in your rebuttal
I do like the gospels of Mathew Mark Luke and John. But those chapters read much better when pedophiles in drag aren't trying to groom children in public places. Love kindness forgiveness are easy to believe in when you live in 1950's white suburbia with zero crime, nuclear families and stay at home mothers raising the chldren.
Look around you. People still in masks. Everyone staring into screens. Baby sacrifices, poison, drugs, eugenics, spraying us like bugs, poison in the food, chemicals in the water, sodomites roaming freely and proudly and targeting children. Jew satanism reigns.
You keep saying READ THE BIBLE as if others haven't. Did I skip over the part where Jesus doesn't get nailed to a tree the first time he goes into a big city?
I do not want to be another sacrificial lamb. It is instinctive in me, and in you, to fight back. Why have you accepted this complacency? This pacifism. Your enemy does not care about your "principles." Just like the democRAT does not care about your logical reasoning. Hell is a place where there is no reason and your noble principles are under a jack boot.
I am telling you, Christian, you must fight back. Perhaps this turn the cheek nonsense has been twisted to submit you? Did you interpret this quote by Jesus incorrectly?
Why this obsession with suffering on the cross? Blood sacrifice? You like to show your children a man being beaten? Forgive them for they know not what they do? But they do know what they do so often, do they not?
Do you teach your child to turn the cheek in school? I teach sons to punch first and then punch back again. When war is inevitable, stop resisting it. The one who tries to avoid the inevitable war the longest is usually the one who loses. By the time they accept they have no choice and they either go to war or war comes to them, they have no time to maneuver into a victorious strategic stance.
Christians have made it easy for the satanic jew to persecute them. Christians have behaved in a manner that begs for persecution. I do not like this self-flagellation. It is a sort of self hatred. No question the modern white guilt complex comes out of this.
The jew worship in the bible is a problem. You know deep down it is off putting. We see how jews behave in real life and it is not as a chosen people. That is unless all jews we perceive today are in fact the synagogue of satan and the real jews are not them. I have not ruled out this possibility. But have you considered the possibility that the Bible is not God's word and is an anthology of religious stories and events?
You keep saying READ THE BIBLE as if others haven't. Did I skip over the part where Jesus doesn't get nailed to a tree the first time he goes into a big city?
Wasn't the first time in a big city, but that's just technical. Anyway, read REVELATIONS - all future predictions match the current state. That's why Earth will be melted down afterwards. Sorry, for the caps, but your start is getting angry at things that are predicted there a very long time ago.
Matthew 24:
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Do you know why there was a flood that wiped out a lot of people back in the days of Noah? Do you know why God's first command to Noah after the flood was that he shouldn't eat meat with the blood thereof? Do you know one of Noah's grandsons sodomized him when he was drunk with wine? Blood rituals and sodomy are not unknown to God. But I get your frustration. Do you think Noah or someone from his family was frustrated in the "days of Noah"? Makes you think.
I do not want to be another sacrificial lamb. It is instinctive in me, and in you, to fight back. Why have you accepted this complacency? This pacifism. Your enemy does not care about your "principles." Just like the democRAT does not care about your logical reasoning. Hell is a place where there is no reason and your noble principles are under a jack boot.
Hold there. You spread the truth, I spread the truth. How come I am so different from you? I am passive and you are active? I would like to know what more you have done in comparison to "my complacency", if you wouldn't mind. If you are so quick to judge me, let's talk about it - how come you are teaching me on complacency?
I am telling you, Christian, you must fight back. Perhaps this turn the cheek nonsense has been twisted to submit you? Did you interpret this quote by Jesus incorrectly?
Seems like you have. Jesus said that to show the solution to VIOLENCE. He came with a sword and the sword is the WORD. That's written in the bible. He also says that he will arm a child against his parent, so he can break the cycle of crooked traditions. Are you sure you understand the quote?
Also, like I said before, you call me Christian, but I don't want to represent Christians. I think everyone has his own path and I am not quite there yet. Certainly people like Kent Hovind would be better prepared for this. I just try my best, but I am not a Christian. Or what a true Christian should represent. Regardless, despite your anger, I get your point and I understand it. I was you around 3-4 years ago or perhaps even less.
Why this obsession with suffering on the cross? Blood sacrifice? You like to show your children a man being beaten? Forgive them for they know not what they do? But they do know what they do so often, do they not?
Perhaps I don't understand that. There is no obsession with suffering on the cross. The blood is very important and God always said to never spill it. It's literally the Kane - Abel conflict when God said "Abel's blood is calling out to me from the ground".
"Forgive them" doesn't mean do nothing. You do understand that, right? If you have never been a child I would understand your point, but I have been one and I remember doing stupid sh*t that I later regretted. I am so happy my mother forgave me for them, so I do appreciate the forgiveness in humans. She didn't just close her eyes to my mistakes, I was punished quite often actually. But now I understand how that kept me from making even bigger mistakes. Can you not see that in your own upbringing?
Do you teach your child to turn the cheek in school? I teach sons to punch first and then punch back again. When war is inevitable, stop resisting it. The one who tries to avoid the inevitable war the longest is usually the one who loses. By the time they accept they have no choice and they either go to war or war comes to them, they have no time to maneuver into a victorious strategic stance.
Then you know too little about psychology, regret, and guilt. If you "teach sons to punch first", then this is your problem. Well, you are making it also your kid's problem, but that's your choice. I am glad Jesus will arm your sons to stand against that violent doctrine. War is won either by muscle or strategy, it is clear you don't use the latter. That's sad. Violence is bad and your sons will learn that first. When your boy comes back with a broken nose, just remember you have only yourself to blame. Violence only attracts more violence and it is a pity to make the younger victims of your violent understanding of the world, wouldn't you agree?
Christians have made it easy for the satanic jew to persecute them. Christians have behaved in a manner that begs for persecution. I do not like this self-flagellation. It is a sort of self hatred. No question the modern white guilt complex comes out of this.
I really don't get this one. Can you make it more clear, please?
The jew worship in the bible is a problem. You know deep down it is off putting. We see how jews behave in real life and it is not as a chosen people. That is unless all jews we perceive today are in fact the synagogue of satan and the real jews are not them. I have not ruled out this possibility. But have you considered the possibility that the Bible is not God's word and is an anthology of religious stories and events?
"Jew worship"??? I thought you were true about reading the apostles, but I guess you never really read them. The entire New Testament is against the Jews, have you missed that? It is Christians that expose Jews - https://www.bitchute.com/video/C2nF8HvjVYj2/ - Here's a Christian exposing the Jews. Whatever are you on about with this "Jew worship"? Jews killed Jesus, is that not enough for you to figure that Jews are bad? And it is written in the bible long before you were here.
They WERE God's chosen. Perhaps you don't get history, but at the time, they actually stood for traditions. Now, they cling for them as if that would save them from the wrath of God. There's this episode that I remember from John - some Jew priests wanted to know about John and came to talk to him and when John wanted from them to repent and change their evil ways, they said they are children of Abraham. But John got some rocks in his hand and said "God can make children of Abraham from these rocks, if he wanted to". Remember that one from John? If you liked it so much, you would've paid attention.
However, I offer you a new source, since I doubt a lot you read the ones you say you "liked". Paul. Paul was previously called Saul and persecuted Christians because, as a Jew, he thought they were a sect that goes against the real teachings of God. He beheld a vision of Jesus, which makes him an apostle, and Jesus said "Saul, why do you persecute me?". Saul never had an experience that matches this one and with all his wisdom on the scriptures, he understood that was God's interference. He then devoted his life to Christianity! Perhaps you should read more on that. It's in the Bible. He started to defend Christians and was welcomed by some of the other apostles that he previously persecuted. Can you imagine what would happen if they taught their children to hate and hurt Saul and didn't want him around? Yet, they were united in cause and worked together. Isn't forgiveness divine indeed?
Not only that, Saul was incredibly influential and was very wise in the scriptures. He tried to debate Jews, as he was one of them, but they didn't listen to reason, so he left them and vowed that he would only work with gentiles, not the arrogant Jews. That's coming from a Jew. Do you get that your point about "jew worship" is twisted and not even close to the arguments in the Bible? I hope you read more on that.
Anyway, he died stoned by Jews. Do you think Christians really worship Jews? You must be twisted to think that sort of thing... I bet on uneducated. I bet you never read the New Testament in full. I refuse to believe you are that stupid, because it clearly shows that you think. Even behind all that anger in Christianity, I see you are trying to seek reason in most places. But you never read the New Testament in full. Otherwise, you will withdraw your accusations about "jew worship".
In conclusion, you bring more "Christian hate", I will just bring out the scripture and try to explain it to you. Easily confirming that you probably watched a movie about the New Testament or someone's misunderstanding of it. But never fully read it. But if you bring actual arguments, I would be happy to further your knowledge with what I have. I don't know the Bible by heart, but I will do my best. Something I appreciate in the people, who have revealed the truth to me when I was confused on the topic.
Also, I guess you know a lot of twisted Christians, who impose their twisted view and you don't like that. Keep it up! That's correct. If some Christian is trying to worship Jews, then you will find that while you stand against that doctrine, I will be right by your side opposing the same thing. If a Christian is passive and doesn't do any work to expose the Jews, you will hate him, but so will I. While you are telling him to stop being passive, I am already preparing my reply to also criticize him on being passive in a time when he/she should be most active. But if you dictate violence, then we won't fight together. Nowadays, all Christians are reformed Christians. They don't come from a long line of Christians, rather they understood that their Moral Values aligned with Christianity and that is better than the Islam's "holy war" or jihad, and with the Hindu's "nothing matters, man, you will get it in your next like that no one can prove that exists"...
Still, I appreciate the response. I bit more anger this time, but I am not a stranger to this emotion. I know what is like to see all this injustice and to say "Where is God?! If he is real, he must've forsaken us...". For once upon a time, these were my words as well. That's why the book is very important. The Bible is still valid because no one was able to disprove it. Try it. If you succeed, I will yield. But if it isn't? If you read words from the Bible that make you a better warrior for the Truth tomorrow? What if the Book fuels you to become better than what you were? What if God's holy book waits for you to research it, and not just to mock it without reading?
I wouldn't downvote you for asking questions... I don't see who would. I will upvote you, just so you know I didn't downvote you on your reply. But it has little connection to our discussion. I just don't want you to think that I am trying to somehow stop you from asking questions. I really see myself in you several years ago, so it kinda looks to me that I am trying to save myself. It's not a problem to ask questions, it is a problem to ignore the answers, wouldn't you agree?
What was the first large city Jesus entered into as a preacher? He seemed to barely escape with his life arguing with jew Pharisees.
In the story of Noah, God wipes out the evil. So where is the flood? I moved to the mountains expecting it by now.
I am Vlad the Impaler. I impaled over 10,000 Muslims at the behest of Catholic Christians. I am old enough to remember when Christianity was hijacked for empires. Today it is still hijacked. Supposing it wasn’t a hijacking from the get-go.
Words do seem to cut deeper than a sword, sometimes. But one leaves you with hurt feelings. The other leaves you dead.
No. I do not mean to imply you are representative of all Christians. But you seem too evasive to take on the label.
Christians are obsessed with blood. They drink wine and claim it is blood. They say they are saved “by the blood of Jesus Christ.” Not by Jesus Christ, by the blood. I hear Christians say it all the time. “I’m saved by the blood.” Muh blood. Drink the blood. Passion of the Christ is just movie beating the blood out of an actor and Christians love it. Why do they not say they are saved by the MESSAGE or FORGIVENESS. No. BLOOD.
When sodomite pedophiles tell Christian white children “it doesn’t lick itself” in public libraries, Christians literally DO NOTHING. Or, if something, they GLORIFY and PRAISE the pedophilic behavior as “brave” and “loving acceptance” of someone who is different. Muh diversity. Muh multi-cultural acceptance of pedophiles dressed as clowns with horns in short skirts and high heels. Look at me the noble Christian so tolerant and loving of these pedophiles. I turns muh cheek. /s
Punching first is the good thing to do when you know a fight is inevitable. You punch someone in their nose it makes their eyes water and blood choke down their throat. You’ve disabled them and stopped the fight. Someone who turns their cheek is going to lose teeth or not even be physically prepared to take a punch, causing further damage.
Christians have made it easy for the satanic jew to persecute them. Christians have behaved in a manner that begs for persecution. I do not like this self-flagellation. It is a sort of self hatred. No question the modern white guilt complex comes out of this.
Even Jesus tells Christians they will be persecuted in His name. So they seek out this persecution. That’s why Fox News shows you trannies swinging dicks in your kids faces and you’re supposed to do nothing, be a pacifist jackass, and pretend you’re principled and noble for being a cheek turning coward.
The whole bible is a bunch of jew worship. Jesus is jew all the disciples jews the people who bear false witness on jesus are jews the traitor is jew God chooses jews. When a gentile woman asks Jesus to heal her daughter, Jesus calls her a dog and basically says get to the back of the line I tend to muh jews first.
Saul/Paul murdered thousands of Christian women and children and men. Claims he saw Jesus and now he’s the new apostle? If George Soros told you he had a vision of Jesus would you add George Soros essays as new epistles in the Bible? Paul should have been impaled for the murder of Christian women and children. Paul is another lousy jew. When he spread his message to gentiles Europe was conquered and white civilization went into a dark age. Probably because they were turning muh cheek.
Don’t take any of this personal. This is a debate. I’m challenging Christian beliefs and their role in the modern world. Be open to the challenge. You yourself admit you’ve asked yourself some of these same difficult questions. It takes more than flowery talk about loving everyone to convince me Christianity hasn’t walked itself into a trap and brought about their own persecution if merely to fulfill prophecy because Jesus said they will suffer in His name so they manifest it when it doesn’t have to be this way. We can fight back.
What was the first large city Jesus entered into as a preacher?
Oh, now you add "as a preacher"... :D Slick move, but it's not gonna pass... Very disrespectful... To change the argument so you can be right at the end... Very disrespectful. Perhaps I was wrong about you.
He seemed to barely escape with his life arguing with jew Pharisees.
Read of the Bible before you show how ignorant you are on the topic. I have tolerated that too much from you. You continue to show your ignorance of the Book you hate so much. How about you read it before you hate it?
In the story of Noah, God wipes out the evil. So where is the flood? I moved to the mountains expecting it by now.
What? Why are you waiting for a passed event? This makes no sense.
I am Vlad the Impaler. I impaled over 10,000 Muslims at the behest of Catholic Christians. I am old enough to remember when Christianity was hijacked for empires. Today it is still hijacked. Supposing it wasn’t a hijacking from the get-go.
No, you are demented with a delusion of grandeur. You are a keyboard warrior that wishes to be taken as a know-it-all, while you fail multiple times. Your strategy is only to exhaust the other party and to count that as a won argument. You have shown your true colors. You write too much to compensate for your ignorance and you never face it, but you flee from it. Well, it will get you every single time on the way, if you don't accept ignorance. A wise man once said "I know that I don't know, but you don't know even that".
You seem like an inflated balloon that won a children's competition once. Now, you work too much to protect your ignorance instead of seeking wisdom. That's your choice, don't infect others with it.
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I will no longer reply to your ignorance. You don't offer any reason behind your complex words. Your simple strategy is to call everyone a liar and never to seek any evidence that supports your claim. I have heard enough of how much you hate what you never knew.
Don’t take any of this personal. This is a debate.
You act like a hurt child and you think way too much of yourself to presume that is how a debate is made. You don't debate. You insult. You can't hide this just by denying it at the last paragraph. You obviously only debate idiots which fed too much of your arrogance. Now, you think too much of yourself to read from a single book? What a victory... Certainly one that you rightly deserve.
All you have proven in your comments is how ignorant and angry you are. You are not special. Actually, if I can randomly pick 10 people from the public, I would have at least 8 of you. Everyone more arrogant and ignorant than the other. But this is what arrogance and ignorance gives you - anger. You just make sure you enjoy it alone. Don't spread your filth.
Finally, I don't really care for upvotes and downvotes, but I care about my votes. I incorrectly upvoted an angry child like you thinking it may offer some thinking and I will change that. And I am so glad that someone else expressed the same position by downvoting you. Certainly a person that seeks favor with God and choses to oppose the ignorance of the unworthy. WHOEVER YOU ARE OUT THERE - Thank you!
But at least I was right about one thing, "Vlad". I was like you once. I think it was 3rd grade or 2nd grade...
Hold on now. I see the same questions I asked when I was questioning Christianity.
Is that really so? Have you seen a person so angry that they to hurt someone less powerful then them, but when they realize that the person is not fighting back (turning the other cheek), something inside them forces them to stop and reevaluate their actions? What I am saying is, are you sure that God's way doesn't actually lead to salvation? Jesus died on the Cross, yet, God could've just killed everyone who hurt him, right? But there was this one centurion (meaning Roman soldier) that pierced Jesus with his spear (to confirm he was dead), and from his body went blood and water??? And the Roman centurion became a believe at that very spot. Who else can bleed water from their body? I know it sounds amazing... but that's what God is - unattainable for us to understand. Beyond our comprehension. Think about it - We were not perfect, but why do we wish for a world that is perfect. We were not pure, yet why do we wish to have a world of purity? We were not truthful, yet why do we wish to have a world of truth?
Jesus died and 2000 years later he is called a KING and people are ready to die for him. Do you make your plans as "I will die for this cause, but perhaps 2000 years from now people around the world - both jews and gentiles will call me king"?
So, sorry for the reply on your first question, but turning the other cheek has proven benefits: It reaches to the person's consciousness... When you don't make them stop, something inside them makes them stop. And they really listen to that voice when you turn the other cheek.
I know it is hard to submit in full to God, I haven't done that... but I am trying. We have all watched those superman, batman, w/e man that have superpowers... meaning they try to imitate God. Isn't the devil the main instrument in creating them? Check the first 2 minutes of this - https://www.bitchute.com/video/vxevo3jsJyKI/ (The intros are 1:10 minutes long, just skip them, bitchute doesn't save a time-stamp)
"Your messiah was nailed to a cross and if you continue to turn the cheek your children are going to be persecuted too." - They were. I will try to reduce my answers to compensate for the long first reply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGHI-b1fsPM
"Christianity takes glory in persecution just like the black takes joy in crying racism or goblin Greenblatt takes joy in crying holocaust at the ADL." - You confuse the Roman Catholic Church for Actual Christianity. Please study history. Every True Christian knows the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ written in the Bible. Read the Bible.
"The churches locked down when government told them to and put masks on when government told them to. You subscribe to a higher God but do whatever the fuck government tells you to?" - Christians don't comply to Churches, nor Governments. It is written in the Bible that we should stay away from the multitude. Our Higher God is Great Morals, just like Great Morals is our Higher God. That's what God is! God is the Ultimate Truth, and when I tell a lie, I know I have made a mistake. But when I spot a lie, I know the other person has made a mistake. Do you see my point? God is The Greatest Ideal in Moral Values.
"Muslims would sooner stone a sodomite than a Christian. Yet the Christian looks down upon the Muslim. Yet in the Christian community, transsexual pedophiles dressed in drag perform sexual dances and read gay stories to children in the public library." - You clearly are buying what the media wants to tell you that a Christian is, or what a Muslim is... You never read the Bible or the Quran. I posted recently a video where a Quran and Christian scholar has turned a Muslim away from Christianity... Because he only quoted the twisted texts from the Quran and people are realizing their Moral Values don't align with the Quran. Btw, Muhammed was a Jesuit agent sent in the 7th century to fabricate the wars between the Muslims and the Catholic Church. Early controlled opposition. Very effective, because the land was where Christianity was evolving. Yet, as you can clearly see, unsuccessful. Anyway, long discussion for another time. Research history, the templar/muslim wars, the Bible, and the Quran for more details.
"Christians believe they are saved by the blood sacrifice of another. Why does God's forgiveness require suffering and pain and murder?" - Again, read the Bible. What you suffered in life is not even comparable to what God has suffered from his own children. If I were you, I would keep that tongue behind my teeth before I learn more on the God I dare to insult... Really, read the Bible. I know I am getting annoying with that, but this book is truly magical. The power of the devil comes from that to make you hate the Bible and never read it. Yet, if it is truly the Holy Grimoire, the Truth should leap right at your face. REMEMBER! God wants you to be his child! He cares about you more than any parent has ever cared about you! Don't let the Roman Catholic Church use Guilt to fake a different image of their god... God is loving! He is Merciful! He is Your Father! Just read on Jesus - this is God in the flesh, or Emmanuel a.k.a. "God walks among us".
Life is pain and suffering. You must read the etymology on the word "pathos". It means "suffering". Just like empathy or EM + pathos means the add-suffering of another. Or sympathy, meaning Sym + pathos is the co-suffering or another. If you want to truly point the finger at the ones that made this world a suffering - point it at the Satanists, not God. God created a perfect garden that humans ruined... Humans and the snake. You should really read the Bible. It will make much more sense, if you try to seek sense in it. Not when you try to seek imperfections in it.
"Why are you told to eat the flesh of Jesus? Is this cannibalism? Some more weird occult symbolism? Why are you drinking another man's blood?" - Catholic propaganda. Do you know "Hocus Pocus" comes from Lutherans that disagreed that the bread is the body of Christ and Catholics were making a scam? Just like hocus pocus? I don't have space to explain, please research that additionally.
"Why do Christians pick and choose which parts of the old testament they like/ Some parts are in cont" - Incorrect. I told you already about bad Christians. I am a bad Christian. I don't follow all rules by God. I try to, but they are really hard at times. The ones, who pick are evil. The ones, who feel guilty because they don't follow them, are also evil I guess, but at least they would speak about them.
"True Christians don't do that..." Well who gets to say who is the true Christian? Who isn't? Which of the 500+ denominations is the "true Christian"? - THE BOOK. I haven't underlined that so much? Cmon... I knew you were not reading what I wrote in full. Now you expose yourself. The Book is magic. Are you really unable to test that for one second? Read from the BOOK! Do you expect your eyes to fall out or something? All my arguments can never match the scripture! That's why many Christians will quote the Bible... Well, I don't know it so well to quote it. But are you afraid of the BOOK? If you want to understand what true Christian is - Read From the Book! Please! In the worst case, it is just a book. In the best case, you will find the power and direction in life that you need. I cannot answer these questions about "true Christians". I am not one. I know many would like to say they are ones, but they are not... And the book shows why... We are all trying to be good Christians... Don't expect me to defend the perfect Christians, as I am NOT one of them. I try to be good, but I fall short. Read about Jesus, he was a perfect Christian.
"Yes I have bottled up rage and thirst to exact justice. Because Christians haven't been on the fucking job. In white Christian civilization everything devolves into hell rapidly because Christians turn muh cheek. Tolerance is a false virtue taught in christian churches as much as it is through democrat indoctrination centers." - Do you want me to disagree with that? :D It is the same reason I am trying to force myself to post against common insults to defend the truth... BUT I must disagree with that comment "white Christian civilization"... I would like for you to investigate who was the originator of respecting women more than cattle in history... Of course, Jesus showed the way, but apparently the white Christian civilization followed. Just so you know the topic you speak of... You were born out of a Mother, were you not? Chivalry is a... how did you say it? "white Christian civilization" kind of a thing... Careful. Some of the arguments that you use I can let slide, but some are reaching the line... But you admit that rage, so I can see myself in that situation... Still, I was raised mainly by women, so I kinda take it personally. Just research Chivalry and compare it to other nations. I don't promote white race, I just say that whites are lucky that Jesus's followers chose to walk among them.
"True Christians impale the perpetrators of evil. You end up on a pike before i end up on a cross. No turning the cheek. No waiting for eventual rapture for another thousand years. The time is now. We take back our freedom today. No white hats. No q-tard hopium. No one day Jesus will come back and not be martyred this time." - Incorrect. The Roman Church and the Spanish Inquisition do NOT represent Christianity - READ THE BOOK. Sorry for the caps, but that's my main argument. Jesus stands against those acts, why would you attribute them to God, but fail to see the Satanists behind this plan??
"Would it not be more reverent of God to take action now? If Christianity were a scam, they'd want you to turn the cheek and do nothing for another thousand years." - Careful. I hope to raise some awareness in you that it is not safe to speak about God that you don't understand. I have done this and I fear my judgement on that topic. You seem to speak freely on topic that you never investigated... I have been in your place. I cursed God. I HONESTLY can tell you - don't repeat my mistake. Is a fkin book so hard to read??!?! Please read the Bible before you speak about God you never understood! You speak so freely because you don't expect God to smite you this second... But would you speak freely insults about a Father that Loves you and Waits for your to Return to His Family? Careful, pal. Let's make a deal - you speak against Christianity when you read the Book! Insult Christians, insult me, but before you insult Christianity, the Father, or the Son - you read the book! Deal?!
Christians will just turn the other cheek. God is loving, caring, and patient... should you continue to insult him??? Are you BRAVE for insulting someone who is totally ready to forgive you? Wow, so much power... I've had enough of it! How about you read about the God you so fearlessly insult? Would you insult in the same way the mother that gave birth to you? Seriously. I know you get angry, and I have been at your place, but make less mistakes in a single comment, please! Insult me for not being accurate about Christianity. Insult the fake Christians all around. But to insult God before you know him??? Why??? Anyway, I hope you think on that one and I have to waste more space to UNDERLINE THAT YOU SHOULD READ THE BIBLE!
"Obviously when the colonialists fled the Catholic Church of Europe they were fleeing persecution and the corruption of the Christian church establishment. Don't get suckered into another thousand years of serfdom and cheek turning." - Well, this is another topic that shows the internal conflicts of Churches that obeyed the Bible and Catholic Churches... Martin Luther is one example. And I used up all the space...
Thank you again for your response and effort in your rebuttal
I do like the gospels of Mathew Mark Luke and John. But those chapters read much better when pedophiles in drag aren't trying to groom children in public places. Love kindness forgiveness are easy to believe in when you live in 1950's white suburbia with zero crime, nuclear families and stay at home mothers raising the chldren.
Look around you. People still in masks. Everyone staring into screens. Baby sacrifices, poison, drugs, eugenics, spraying us like bugs, poison in the food, chemicals in the water, sodomites roaming freely and proudly and targeting children. Jew satanism reigns.
You keep saying READ THE BIBLE as if others haven't. Did I skip over the part where Jesus doesn't get nailed to a tree the first time he goes into a big city?
I do not want to be another sacrificial lamb. It is instinctive in me, and in you, to fight back. Why have you accepted this complacency? This pacifism. Your enemy does not care about your "principles." Just like the democRAT does not care about your logical reasoning. Hell is a place where there is no reason and your noble principles are under a jack boot.
I am telling you, Christian, you must fight back. Perhaps this turn the cheek nonsense has been twisted to submit you? Did you interpret this quote by Jesus incorrectly?
Why this obsession with suffering on the cross? Blood sacrifice? You like to show your children a man being beaten? Forgive them for they know not what they do? But they do know what they do so often, do they not?
Do you teach your child to turn the cheek in school? I teach sons to punch first and then punch back again. When war is inevitable, stop resisting it. The one who tries to avoid the inevitable war the longest is usually the one who loses. By the time they accept they have no choice and they either go to war or war comes to them, they have no time to maneuver into a victorious strategic stance.
Christians have made it easy for the satanic jew to persecute them. Christians have behaved in a manner that begs for persecution. I do not like this self-flagellation. It is a sort of self hatred. No question the modern white guilt complex comes out of this.
The jew worship in the bible is a problem. You know deep down it is off putting. We see how jews behave in real life and it is not as a chosen people. That is unless all jews we perceive today are in fact the synagogue of satan and the real jews are not them. I have not ruled out this possibility. But have you considered the possibility that the Bible is not God's word and is an anthology of religious stories and events?
Ok, I see where this is going.
Wasn't the first time in a big city, but that's just technical. Anyway, read REVELATIONS - all future predictions match the current state. That's why Earth will be melted down afterwards. Sorry, for the caps, but your start is getting angry at things that are predicted there a very long time ago.
Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Do you know why there was a flood that wiped out a lot of people back in the days of Noah? Do you know why God's first command to Noah after the flood was that he shouldn't eat meat with the blood thereof? Do you know one of Noah's grandsons sodomized him when he was drunk with wine? Blood rituals and sodomy are not unknown to God. But I get your frustration. Do you think Noah or someone from his family was frustrated in the "days of Noah"? Makes you think.
Hold there. You spread the truth, I spread the truth. How come I am so different from you? I am passive and you are active? I would like to know what more you have done in comparison to "my complacency", if you wouldn't mind. If you are so quick to judge me, let's talk about it - how come you are teaching me on complacency?
Seems like you have. Jesus said that to show the solution to VIOLENCE. He came with a sword and the sword is the WORD. That's written in the bible. He also says that he will arm a child against his parent, so he can break the cycle of crooked traditions. Are you sure you understand the quote? Also, like I said before, you call me Christian, but I don't want to represent Christians. I think everyone has his own path and I am not quite there yet. Certainly people like Kent Hovind would be better prepared for this. I just try my best, but I am not a Christian. Or what a true Christian should represent. Regardless, despite your anger, I get your point and I understand it. I was you around 3-4 years ago or perhaps even less.
Then you know too little about psychology, regret, and guilt. If you "teach sons to punch first", then this is your problem. Well, you are making it also your kid's problem, but that's your choice. I am glad Jesus will arm your sons to stand against that violent doctrine. War is won either by muscle or strategy, it is clear you don't use the latter. That's sad. Violence is bad and your sons will learn that first. When your boy comes back with a broken nose, just remember you have only yourself to blame. Violence only attracts more violence and it is a pity to make the younger victims of your violent understanding of the world, wouldn't you agree?
I really don't get this one. Can you make it more clear, please?
"Jew worship"??? I thought you were true about reading the apostles, but I guess you never really read them. The entire New Testament is against the Jews, have you missed that? It is Christians that expose Jews - https://www.bitchute.com/video/C2nF8HvjVYj2/ - Here's a Christian exposing the Jews. Whatever are you on about with this "Jew worship"? Jews killed Jesus, is that not enough for you to figure that Jews are bad? And it is written in the bible long before you were here.
They WERE God's chosen. Perhaps you don't get history, but at the time, they actually stood for traditions. Now, they cling for them as if that would save them from the wrath of God. There's this episode that I remember from John - some Jew priests wanted to know about John and came to talk to him and when John wanted from them to repent and change their evil ways, they said they are children of Abraham. But John got some rocks in his hand and said "God can make children of Abraham from these rocks, if he wanted to". Remember that one from John? If you liked it so much, you would've paid attention.
However, I offer you a new source, since I doubt a lot you read the ones you say you "liked". Paul. Paul was previously called Saul and persecuted Christians because, as a Jew, he thought they were a sect that goes against the real teachings of God. He beheld a vision of Jesus, which makes him an apostle, and Jesus said "Saul, why do you persecute me?". Saul never had an experience that matches this one and with all his wisdom on the scriptures, he understood that was God's interference. He then devoted his life to Christianity! Perhaps you should read more on that. It's in the Bible. He started to defend Christians and was welcomed by some of the other apostles that he previously persecuted. Can you imagine what would happen if they taught their children to hate and hurt Saul and didn't want him around? Yet, they were united in cause and worked together. Isn't forgiveness divine indeed? Not only that, Saul was incredibly influential and was very wise in the scriptures. He tried to debate Jews, as he was one of them, but they didn't listen to reason, so he left them and vowed that he would only work with gentiles, not the arrogant Jews. That's coming from a Jew. Do you get that your point about "jew worship" is twisted and not even close to the arguments in the Bible? I hope you read more on that. Anyway, he died stoned by Jews. Do you think Christians really worship Jews? You must be twisted to think that sort of thing... I bet on uneducated. I bet you never read the New Testament in full. I refuse to believe you are that stupid, because it clearly shows that you think. Even behind all that anger in Christianity, I see you are trying to seek reason in most places. But you never read the New Testament in full. Otherwise, you will withdraw your accusations about "jew worship".
In conclusion, you bring more "Christian hate", I will just bring out the scripture and try to explain it to you. Easily confirming that you probably watched a movie about the New Testament or someone's misunderstanding of it. But never fully read it. But if you bring actual arguments, I would be happy to further your knowledge with what I have. I don't know the Bible by heart, but I will do my best. Something I appreciate in the people, who have revealed the truth to me when I was confused on the topic.
Also, I guess you know a lot of twisted Christians, who impose their twisted view and you don't like that. Keep it up! That's correct. If some Christian is trying to worship Jews, then you will find that while you stand against that doctrine, I will be right by your side opposing the same thing. If a Christian is passive and doesn't do any work to expose the Jews, you will hate him, but so will I. While you are telling him to stop being passive, I am already preparing my reply to also criticize him on being passive in a time when he/she should be most active. But if you dictate violence, then we won't fight together. Nowadays, all Christians are reformed Christians. They don't come from a long line of Christians, rather they understood that their Moral Values aligned with Christianity and that is better than the Islam's "holy war" or jihad, and with the Hindu's "nothing matters, man, you will get it in your next like that no one can prove that exists"...
Still, I appreciate the response. I bit more anger this time, but I am not a stranger to this emotion. I know what is like to see all this injustice and to say "Where is God?! If he is real, he must've forsaken us...". For once upon a time, these were my words as well. That's why the book is very important. The Bible is still valid because no one was able to disprove it. Try it. If you succeed, I will yield. But if it isn't? If you read words from the Bible that make you a better warrior for the Truth tomorrow? What if the Book fuels you to become better than what you were? What if God's holy book waits for you to research it, and not just to mock it without reading?
I wouldn't downvote you for asking questions... I don't see who would. I will upvote you, just so you know I didn't downvote you on your reply. But it has little connection to our discussion. I just don't want you to think that I am trying to somehow stop you from asking questions. I really see myself in you several years ago, so it kinda looks to me that I am trying to save myself. It's not a problem to ask questions, it is a problem to ignore the answers, wouldn't you agree?
What was the first large city Jesus entered into as a preacher? He seemed to barely escape with his life arguing with jew Pharisees.
In the story of Noah, God wipes out the evil. So where is the flood? I moved to the mountains expecting it by now.
I am Vlad the Impaler. I impaled over 10,000 Muslims at the behest of Catholic Christians. I am old enough to remember when Christianity was hijacked for empires. Today it is still hijacked. Supposing it wasn’t a hijacking from the get-go.
Words do seem to cut deeper than a sword, sometimes. But one leaves you with hurt feelings. The other leaves you dead.
No. I do not mean to imply you are representative of all Christians. But you seem too evasive to take on the label.
Christians are obsessed with blood. They drink wine and claim it is blood. They say they are saved “by the blood of Jesus Christ.” Not by Jesus Christ, by the blood. I hear Christians say it all the time. “I’m saved by the blood.” Muh blood. Drink the blood. Passion of the Christ is just movie beating the blood out of an actor and Christians love it. Why do they not say they are saved by the MESSAGE or FORGIVENESS. No. BLOOD.
When sodomite pedophiles tell Christian white children “it doesn’t lick itself” in public libraries, Christians literally DO NOTHING. Or, if something, they GLORIFY and PRAISE the pedophilic behavior as “brave” and “loving acceptance” of someone who is different. Muh diversity. Muh multi-cultural acceptance of pedophiles dressed as clowns with horns in short skirts and high heels. Look at me the noble Christian so tolerant and loving of these pedophiles. I turns muh cheek. /s
Punching first is the good thing to do when you know a fight is inevitable. You punch someone in their nose it makes their eyes water and blood choke down their throat. You’ve disabled them and stopped the fight. Someone who turns their cheek is going to lose teeth or not even be physically prepared to take a punch, causing further damage.
Christians have made it easy for the satanic jew to persecute them. Christians have behaved in a manner that begs for persecution. I do not like this self-flagellation. It is a sort of self hatred. No question the modern white guilt complex comes out of this.
Even Jesus tells Christians they will be persecuted in His name. So they seek out this persecution. That’s why Fox News shows you trannies swinging dicks in your kids faces and you’re supposed to do nothing, be a pacifist jackass, and pretend you’re principled and noble for being a cheek turning coward.
The whole bible is a bunch of jew worship. Jesus is jew all the disciples jews the people who bear false witness on jesus are jews the traitor is jew God chooses jews. When a gentile woman asks Jesus to heal her daughter, Jesus calls her a dog and basically says get to the back of the line I tend to muh jews first.
Saul/Paul murdered thousands of Christian women and children and men. Claims he saw Jesus and now he’s the new apostle? If George Soros told you he had a vision of Jesus would you add George Soros essays as new epistles in the Bible? Paul should have been impaled for the murder of Christian women and children. Paul is another lousy jew. When he spread his message to gentiles Europe was conquered and white civilization went into a dark age. Probably because they were turning muh cheek.
Don’t take any of this personal. This is a debate. I’m challenging Christian beliefs and their role in the modern world. Be open to the challenge. You yourself admit you’ve asked yourself some of these same difficult questions. It takes more than flowery talk about loving everyone to convince me Christianity hasn’t walked itself into a trap and brought about their own persecution if merely to fulfill prophecy because Jesus said they will suffer in His name so they manifest it when it doesn’t have to be this way. We can fight back.
Oh, now you add "as a preacher"... :D Slick move, but it's not gonna pass... Very disrespectful... To change the argument so you can be right at the end... Very disrespectful. Perhaps I was wrong about you.
Read of the Bible before you show how ignorant you are on the topic. I have tolerated that too much from you. You continue to show your ignorance of the Book you hate so much. How about you read it before you hate it?
What? Why are you waiting for a passed event? This makes no sense.
No, you are demented with a delusion of grandeur. You are a keyboard warrior that wishes to be taken as a know-it-all, while you fail multiple times. Your strategy is only to exhaust the other party and to count that as a won argument. You have shown your true colors. You write too much to compensate for your ignorance and you never face it, but you flee from it. Well, it will get you every single time on the way, if you don't accept ignorance. A wise man once said "I know that I don't know, but you don't know even that".
You seem like an inflated balloon that won a children's competition once. Now, you work too much to protect your ignorance instead of seeking wisdom. That's your choice, don't infect others with it.
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I will no longer reply to your ignorance. You don't offer any reason behind your complex words. Your simple strategy is to call everyone a liar and never to seek any evidence that supports your claim. I have heard enough of how much you hate what you never knew.
You act like a hurt child and you think way too much of yourself to presume that is how a debate is made. You don't debate. You insult. You can't hide this just by denying it at the last paragraph. You obviously only debate idiots which fed too much of your arrogance. Now, you think too much of yourself to read from a single book? What a victory... Certainly one that you rightly deserve.
All you have proven in your comments is how ignorant and angry you are. You are not special. Actually, if I can randomly pick 10 people from the public, I would have at least 8 of you. Everyone more arrogant and ignorant than the other. But this is what arrogance and ignorance gives you - anger. You just make sure you enjoy it alone. Don't spread your filth.
Finally, I don't really care for upvotes and downvotes, but I care about my votes. I incorrectly upvoted an angry child like you thinking it may offer some thinking and I will change that. And I am so glad that someone else expressed the same position by downvoting you. Certainly a person that seeks favor with God and choses to oppose the ignorance of the unworthy. WHOEVER YOU ARE OUT THERE - Thank you!
But at least I was right about one thing, "Vlad". I was like you once. I think it was 3rd grade or 2nd grade...