That’s true, things that are heavier than the media they displace fall. That’s the law of gravity! In its simplest form, it is the statement that “what goes up, must come down.
But the commenter i was responding to wasn’t talking about gravity, they were talking about gravitation the magical/mysterious/unknown postulated pseudoforce believed to cause that law. The former is, as you say, real. The latter is not.
Things fall merely because they were lifted and with the exact same energy used to lift them. They fall because the air beneath them cannot support their weight. Things do NOT fall because there is a magical “force” pulling them down. That is a stupid, unscientific, and fictional idea, as it was from its original inception.
why does the item fall downwards and not in any other direction?
Because that is the direction of its lowest energy state aka “rest”. Things tend towards rest/equilibrium. It’s also got a lot of matter above it pushing down; it’s the easiest way / path of least resistance for it to fall down.
I could easily argue that it is “blindingly retarded” to expect that it ought to fall in any other direction than the opposite of the one you lifted it. Or that “falling” ever could happen in any other direction than down, just as lifting could ever be in any other direction than “up”. It is arguably equally “blindingly retarded” to assume that air could or should support the weight of a physical object of significantly greater density that you lifted and released.
if they only dont fall because the air cant support them then why do things feel heavy?
You may have misunderstood me. Things do fall because the air can’t support their weight, and because they were lifted and released. Things feel heavy because they are made of matter, and matter has weight. It is an intrinsic property of all matter, and because of the interplay between the weight of the object and the media it displaces it exhibits a force that totals downwards.
did you think about this for longer than it took you to type?
I dare say i have thought about it, discussed it, and researched it far more than you have or ever will!
gravitational pull, while we dont quite understand the specifics of how it works, is a well understood fundemental force of reality, it is a key part of what holds literally everything together.
The greeks believed the same thing about zeus. You are describing belief in your mythology - not science. Gravitational pull does not make sense (it is intractable), is not consistent with reality, and is fundamentally unscientific and fictional. I know what i am saying sounds wild, because it is wild.
I recognize the prominent role it plays in the modern creation mythology (and dogma) of scientism. That changes nothing.
we dont know why that happens, but we know the exact way that it happens,
These are contradictory statements. We don’t know why that happens, which is ALSO the same as not knowing the exact way that it happens. You believe it is the cause of observable and well established phenomena, but that’s only because of rote under the guise of education from childhood.
and not knowing something does not proove that it isnt real.
No, but until something is discovered it is NOT discovered. Gravitation is NOT discovered. It was simply made up and weaseled its way into textbooks. No science was involved. In science, things are not real until they are proven to be. We can measure weight. We can measure the speed things fall. We can measure the minuscule attraction between certain types of matter. We cannot measure “gravitational pull”, which makes it unemperical aka unscientific. Things we cannot measure do not belong in science. Belief does not belong in science.
there is far more proof to gravitational force just existing than there is for whatever completely braindead alternative you have come up with.
So we are taught, and required to faithfully repeat. However in reality, it isn’t true. What we have is belief. In science, proof only comes from rigorous empiricism (scientific law - the “what”) and rigorous experiment (scientific theory - the “why/how”). Gravitational force has neither, and never has. Newton understood that it never could. This fact, and the meaning of it, is lost on most modern students :(
That’s true, things that are heavier than the media they displace fall. That’s the law of gravity! In its simplest form, it is the statement that “what goes up, must come down.
But the commenter i was responding to wasn’t talking about gravity, they were talking about gravitation the magical/mysterious/unknown postulated pseudoforce believed to cause that law. The former is, as you say, real. The latter is not.
Things fall merely because they were lifted and with the exact same energy used to lift them. They fall because the air beneath them cannot support their weight. Things do NOT fall because there is a magical “force” pulling them down. That is a stupid, unscientific, and fictional idea, as it was from its original inception.
Because that is the direction of its lowest energy state aka “rest”. Things tend towards rest/equilibrium. It’s also got a lot of matter above it pushing down; it’s the easiest way / path of least resistance for it to fall down.
I could easily argue that it is “blindingly retarded” to expect that it ought to fall in any other direction than the opposite of the one you lifted it. Or that “falling” ever could happen in any other direction than down, just as lifting could ever be in any other direction than “up”. It is arguably equally “blindingly retarded” to assume that air could or should support the weight of a physical object of significantly greater density that you lifted and released.
You may have misunderstood me. Things do fall because the air can’t support their weight, and because they were lifted and released. Things feel heavy because they are made of matter, and matter has weight. It is an intrinsic property of all matter, and because of the interplay between the weight of the object and the media it displaces it exhibits a force that totals downwards.
I dare say i have thought about it, discussed it, and researched it far more than you have or ever will!
The greeks believed the same thing about zeus. You are describing belief in your mythology - not science. Gravitational pull does not make sense (it is intractable), is not consistent with reality, and is fundamentally unscientific and fictional. I know what i am saying sounds wild, because it is wild.
I recognize the prominent role it plays in the modern creation mythology (and dogma) of scientism. That changes nothing.
These are contradictory statements. We don’t know why that happens, which is ALSO the same as not knowing the exact way that it happens. You believe it is the cause of observable and well established phenomena, but that’s only because of rote under the guise of education from childhood.
No, but until something is discovered it is NOT discovered. Gravitation is NOT discovered. It was simply made up and weaseled its way into textbooks. No science was involved. In science, things are not real until they are proven to be. We can measure weight. We can measure the speed things fall. We can measure the minuscule attraction between certain types of matter. We cannot measure “gravitational pull”, which makes it unemperical aka unscientific. Things we cannot measure do not belong in science. Belief does not belong in science.
So we are taught, and required to faithfully repeat. However in reality, it isn’t true. What we have is belief. In science, proof only comes from rigorous empiricism (scientific law - the “what”) and rigorous experiment (scientific theory - the “why/how”). Gravitational force has neither, and never has. Newton understood that it never could. This fact, and the meaning of it, is lost on most modern students :(