If Antarctica is a border wall according to your model, then the sun should remain on one side of the border because the sun is always shining on one of the continents within the border.
Yet, in this video, i have do drag and spin a full 360 degrees, suggesting the sun is moving to outside your ice wall barrier.
IDK if flat earth is true or not, personally I learn more towards the reality is a similation/dream type of camp. However video is SOOOOO easy to fake anymore, I can't get convinced of anything due to one easy to fake govt video supposedly taken someplace none of us will ever be able to check on either. The era when video like this could be trusted to be legit is long gone.
During the summer months by the north pole, the sun remains in the sky 24/7, while at the same time is below the horizon by the south pole. During the winter months by the north pole, the sun remains below the horizon 24/7, while at the same time is above the horizon by the south pole. This is due to earth's tilt, and relative position to the sun throughout the solar year.
Furthermore, timelapse photography shows the stars rotating one way at the north pole, and the opposite way at the south pole.
Neither phenomenon would occur on a flat plane earth. To make them work with flat earth would require intricate convoluted excuses in contradiction with other observations. Every other planet and moon in our solar system that we can observe shows them to be spheres. Even if world governments and space agencies were all lying, we can still see this with our own telescopes.
We all know the people in power lie. They try to brainwash us to not believe our own eyes. They shouldn't be trusted, but a healthy distrust can be taken too far.
I wasn't basing my opinion on that user's video, one way or the other. I was basing it on what people who live near the poles experience.
Here are two websites which catalog the length of day and night for cities in Chile (closer to the south pole), when the sun rises and sets, for Santiago, Chile, and Punta Arenas, Chile. Santiago is in the middle of Chile, and Punta Arenas is at the southern tip, close to Antarctica. They both show that they have very long daylight hours around December, and short daylight hours around July, the exact opposite of areas close to the north pole. This is amplified at Punta Arenas, because it's closer to the south pole.
There are some homesteaders in Alaska that I follow on Youtube, and they show video proof of the difference in daylight hours throughout the year. They have lots of videos and timelapses of nature within their videos, and even talk about the wild changes in length of day throughout the year in some of their videos.
Your visual aid video didn't refute what I said, and didn't explain why people above the arctic circle and below the antarctic circle experience opposite day/night cycles of the sun in winter and summer.
You do know that there are cruises to Antarctica and the Antarctic circle right? They tell you on their websites what to expect for the cruise. The cruises are done around November to February, because it's the southern hemisphere's summer, it's warmer, and there's less ice, and depending on how far south the cruise goes, the people will experience 17-24 hours of sunlight per day. Simultaneously, people closer to the north pole experience almost constant nighttime during those months. I've yet to see a good flat earth explanation for this. How could these cruise lines serve thousands of people every year while lying to them about the weather conditions? How could no one on these cruises report the inconsistency of the daylight hours?
Here are some links to Antarctic cruise websites which specifically mention the daytime/daylight hours:
At any time of the day or night (because whether you’re in the Antarctic in the Southern Hemisphere’s summer, or the Arctic in the Northern Hemisphere in its summer, because there’s daylight most of the time.
I'm a moderately intelligent person, and I couldn't figure out how your visual aid video refuted anything. Would you mind explaining it for me? Sincerely and truly, I don't mean to mock.
People in the antartic circle DO NOT experience or observe a 24 hour sun.
Just so we're clear, for your flat earth theory to be correct, are you suggesting that everyone that lives close to the south pole (southern South America, New Zealand, the various islands), the Antarctic cruises, everyone that goes on those cruises, the people that live and work in Antarctica, the companies and organizations involved, are all lying? Are you suggesting that all videos of the southern summer sun are all doctored and fake?
If what you say is true, has any flat earther gone to Antarctica, or on an Antarctic cruise (many of which will let passengers step foot on various parts of Antarctica) in December to prove that it doesn't get constant sun?
If the flat earth theory is true, why isn't the entire plane of earth illuminated by the sun? Except for reflection, refraction, diffraction, and gravitational lensing, light travels in a straight line. This means, according to the flat earth theory, that if the sun is in the sky, above the flat plane earth, geometrically, all areas of earth should be illuminated 24/7, because no area would be shadowed by curvature. Even if light diffuses through more atmosphere, the sun would still be visible, but more dim, and the area would get less light, but the sun would never set beyond a horizon. According to the video you linked, this is explained by a refraction lens covering the earth. Is this the accepted theory among all flat earthers? Do you not realize that adding additional layers to simple explanations makes it less believable?
If the flat earth theory is true, why does the sun illuminate different areas of the moon throughout the lunar cycle, dependent upon where the earth, moon, and sun are?
What explanation does the flat earth theory have for lunar and solar eclipses?
If the flat earth theory is true, and the sky rotates around the fixed northern star (Polaris), according to your own videos, why does anything in the sky dip below the horizon? The sun, moon, stars, planets, etc.? According to the theory, this shouldn't happen.
If the flat earth theory is true, why do the northern and southern hemispheres, above and below the 30° latitude, experience the different seasons and weather dependent upon the sun's location? According to globe earth, it's because the tilt of the earth, relative to the sun's rays, increases, thus dispersing the same number of rays over a wider area, reducing the photons per area, which reduces heat transfer. As an example, shine a flashlight perpendicular to the surface (the illuminated area is small, concentrating the photons), and then tilt the surface or flashlight (the illuminated area increases, dispersing the same number of photons across a greater area). This phenomenon is in combination with the shorter daylight hours, again, which requires the sun to dip below the horizon, which shouldn't happen under the flat earth theory.
In the video you linked, relating to why the sky appears different colors during different times of the day, are you suggesting that all experimentation and scientists involved in spectroscopy have lied? That is, why would angle of view change the color of the same ionized gas in the atmosphere. Wouldn't this necessarily require the gases of the atmosphere to change dependent upon sun location and each individual person on the planet? Furthermore, spectroscopy is a studied and repeatable science that shows certain elements and compounds reflect, absorb, and emit specific wavelengths of light, which is how we can determine chemical composition of far away objects, and by identifying unknown samples of things on earth. Are you suggesting that everyone involved with these sciences, companies, and organizations are lying?
How do flat earthers explain satellite imagery of space? According to your videos and theory, space shouldn't be pitch black. How far away does this supposed lens covering earth go? Are all satellite images of space faked, and everyone involved lying? Are all deep space satellites, especially those that have traveled to other moons and planets fake, and everyone involved lying?
u/clemaneuverers The time stamps of your replies show that you have seen this comment and have yet to reply to it. So what's going on buddy? You over there furiously typing out a retort to this comment?
your reply was incoherent and not worth replying to. You assume you should see... a dip. Based on where you place your cursor on screen. That is not well articulated. Certainly not proof of anything. Waste of time even writing this to be honest.
You guys have demonstrated time and again that your belief in flat earth is profound, not based on logic and reason; yet you demand replies as if you've made some kind of logical, well thought-out or reasonable argument, which you have not. It's just pointless trolling and time wasting.
The problem is your brain I'm afraid. Even if I spend the time investigating, reading (things you have not done) and then sumarizing and relaying the explanation to you in a ELI5 way about why there is nothing "off" about the "movement" of the sun in this particular video, you will reject it for your comfortable insanity.
It is just you, I guarantee it. There's nothing simple about the world, there is a lot we don't know or truly understand, and a lot of alleged facts are indeed truly assumptions when you dig down.
But some of the things we do actually know for certain are the approximate shape of the Earth and all the landmasses on it. That info was hard won by skilled, competent and intelligent people and simply can't be disproven no matter what kind of nonsense vomits out of your brain.
Dear Flat Earthers,
If Antarctica is a border wall according to your model, then the sun should remain on one side of the border because the sun is always shining on one of the continents within the border.
Yet, in this video, i have do drag and spin a full 360 degrees, suggesting the sun is moving to outside your ice wall barrier.
I think your model fails this test.
IDK if flat earth is true or not, personally I learn more towards the reality is a similation/dream type of camp. However video is SOOOOO easy to fake anymore, I can't get convinced of anything due to one easy to fake govt video supposedly taken someplace none of us will ever be able to check on either. The era when video like this could be trusted to be legit is long gone.
During the summer months by the north pole, the sun remains in the sky 24/7, while at the same time is below the horizon by the south pole. During the winter months by the north pole, the sun remains below the horizon 24/7, while at the same time is above the horizon by the south pole. This is due to earth's tilt, and relative position to the sun throughout the solar year.
Furthermore, timelapse photography shows the stars rotating one way at the north pole, and the opposite way at the south pole.
Neither phenomenon would occur on a flat plane earth. To make them work with flat earth would require intricate convoluted excuses in contradiction with other observations. Every other planet and moon in our solar system that we can observe shows them to be spheres. Even if world governments and space agencies were all lying, we can still see this with our own telescopes.
We all know the people in power lie. They try to brainwash us to not believe our own eyes. They shouldn't be trusted, but a healthy distrust can be taken too far.
The time laps video posted by u/925thejoyisgone/ Is a fake though. The clouds are the same at the ends as the beginning.
I wasn't basing my opinion on that user's video, one way or the other. I was basing it on what people who live near the poles experience.
Here are two websites which catalog the length of day and night for cities in Chile (closer to the south pole), when the sun rises and sets, for Santiago, Chile, and Punta Arenas, Chile. Santiago is in the middle of Chile, and Punta Arenas is at the southern tip, close to Antarctica. They both show that they have very long daylight hours around December, and short daylight hours around July, the exact opposite of areas close to the north pole. This is amplified at Punta Arenas, because it's closer to the south pole.
There are some homesteaders in Alaska that I follow on Youtube, and they show video proof of the difference in daylight hours throughout the year. They have lots of videos and timelapses of nature within their videos, and even talk about the wild changes in length of day throughout the year in some of their videos.
Wrong.
Close to the south pole has 24 hour sun during the summer months of the southern hemisphere, which are between November to February.
Your visual aid video didn't refute what I said, and didn't explain why people above the arctic circle and below the antarctic circle experience opposite day/night cycles of the sun in winter and summer.
You do know that there are cruises to Antarctica and the Antarctic circle right? They tell you on their websites what to expect for the cruise. The cruises are done around November to February, because it's the southern hemisphere's summer, it's warmer, and there's less ice, and depending on how far south the cruise goes, the people will experience 17-24 hours of sunlight per day. Simultaneously, people closer to the north pole experience almost constant nighttime during those months. I've yet to see a good flat earth explanation for this. How could these cruise lines serve thousands of people every year while lying to them about the weather conditions? How could no one on these cruises report the inconsistency of the daylight hours?
Here are some links to Antarctic cruise websites which specifically mention the daytime/daylight hours:
https://www.adventure-life.com/antarctica/articles/antarctica-cruise-and-travel-information-the-long-and-short-of-it
https://www.silversea.com/destinations/antarctica-cruise.html
https://www.swoop-antarctica.com/visit/january
https://poseidonexpeditions.com/antarctica/antarctic-circle-wildest-antarctica/257/
Here's two timelapse videos of the 24 hour summer sun in Antarctica:
https://petapixel.com/2015/08/18/a-time-lapse-of-24-hours-of-sunlight-in-antarctica/
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/24-hours-of-sun-timelapse-antarctica-by-robert-schwarz/
Here's info on New Zealand daylight hours throughout the year, proving they have a lot more sunlight hours during December:
https://www.worlddata.info/australia/new-zealand/sunset.php
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/new-zealand/invercargill
https://newzealandtrails.com/news/whats-best-time-hiking-new-zealand/
I'm a moderately intelligent person, and I couldn't figure out how your visual aid video refuted anything. Would you mind explaining it for me? Sincerely and truly, I don't mean to mock.
Just so we're clear, for your flat earth theory to be correct, are you suggesting that everyone that lives close to the south pole (southern South America, New Zealand, the various islands), the Antarctic cruises, everyone that goes on those cruises, the people that live and work in Antarctica, the companies and organizations involved, are all lying? Are you suggesting that all videos of the southern summer sun are all doctored and fake?
If what you say is true, has any flat earther gone to Antarctica, or on an Antarctic cruise (many of which will let passengers step foot on various parts of Antarctica) in December to prove that it doesn't get constant sun?
If the flat earth theory is true, why isn't the entire plane of earth illuminated by the sun? Except for reflection, refraction, diffraction, and gravitational lensing, light travels in a straight line. This means, according to the flat earth theory, that if the sun is in the sky, above the flat plane earth, geometrically, all areas of earth should be illuminated 24/7, because no area would be shadowed by curvature. Even if light diffuses through more atmosphere, the sun would still be visible, but more dim, and the area would get less light, but the sun would never set beyond a horizon. According to the video you linked, this is explained by a refraction lens covering the earth. Is this the accepted theory among all flat earthers? Do you not realize that adding additional layers to simple explanations makes it less believable?
If the flat earth theory is true, why does the sun illuminate different areas of the moon throughout the lunar cycle, dependent upon where the earth, moon, and sun are?
What explanation does the flat earth theory have for lunar and solar eclipses?
If the flat earth theory is true, and the sky rotates around the fixed northern star (Polaris), according to your own videos, why does anything in the sky dip below the horizon? The sun, moon, stars, planets, etc.? According to the theory, this shouldn't happen.
If the flat earth theory is true, why do the northern and southern hemispheres, above and below the 30° latitude, experience the different seasons and weather dependent upon the sun's location? According to globe earth, it's because the tilt of the earth, relative to the sun's rays, increases, thus dispersing the same number of rays over a wider area, reducing the photons per area, which reduces heat transfer. As an example, shine a flashlight perpendicular to the surface (the illuminated area is small, concentrating the photons), and then tilt the surface or flashlight (the illuminated area increases, dispersing the same number of photons across a greater area). This phenomenon is in combination with the shorter daylight hours, again, which requires the sun to dip below the horizon, which shouldn't happen under the flat earth theory.
In the video you linked, relating to why the sky appears different colors during different times of the day, are you suggesting that all experimentation and scientists involved in spectroscopy have lied? That is, why would angle of view change the color of the same ionized gas in the atmosphere. Wouldn't this necessarily require the gases of the atmosphere to change dependent upon sun location and each individual person on the planet? Furthermore, spectroscopy is a studied and repeatable science that shows certain elements and compounds reflect, absorb, and emit specific wavelengths of light, which is how we can determine chemical composition of far away objects, and by identifying unknown samples of things on earth. Are you suggesting that everyone involved with these sciences, companies, and organizations are lying?
How do flat earthers explain satellite imagery of space? According to your videos and theory, space shouldn't be pitch black. How far away does this supposed lens covering earth go? Are all satellite images of space faked, and everyone involved lying? Are all deep space satellites, especially those that have traveled to other moons and planets fake, and everyone involved lying?
put down...the pipe
What's the figure in front?
A wooden statue?
Why is it so high in the sky? Why doesn't it dip to the horizon like the north pole? Why is it so large? Why is it's path an oval? To compare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGlx9stITXY
This particular video is not done at the south pole, but somewhere near the coast of Antarctica I think. For one done at the south pole see:
https://vimeo.com/208466944
Yes. And it's still not dipping! I put my mouse pointer over it, where is the tilt!
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/axial-tilt-obliquity.html
u/clemaneuverers The time stamps of your replies show that you have seen this comment and have yet to reply to it. So what's going on buddy? You over there furiously typing out a retort to this comment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6f1MKpLGM
your reply was incoherent and not worth replying to. You assume you should see... a dip. Based on where you place your cursor on screen. That is not well articulated. Certainly not proof of anything. Waste of time even writing this to be honest.
The cursor is over the sun. The horizon is not moving. Yes. You should see the sun moving up and down quite a lot.
Right. Did you look at the earth model in the link? Or are you not allowed to click on links?
Follow up Question! What are the 5 stages of acceptance?
You guys have demonstrated time and again that your belief in flat earth is profound, not based on logic and reason; yet you demand replies as if you've made some kind of logical, well thought-out or reasonable argument, which you have not. It's just pointless trolling and time wasting.
Yes. And now I am proving your video to be fake. All that you know and believe is based on lies. This is not a reality that you can escape.
The problem is your brain I'm afraid. Even if I spend the time investigating, reading (things you have not done) and then sumarizing and relaying the explanation to you in a ELI5 way about why there is nothing "off" about the "movement" of the sun in this particular video, you will reject it for your comfortable insanity.
Looks like I put that reply in the wrong place, but it applies to you too so I'm glad you saw it.
It is just you, I guarantee it. There's nothing simple about the world, there is a lot we don't know or truly understand, and a lot of alleged facts are indeed truly assumptions when you dig down.
But some of the things we do actually know for certain are the approximate shape of the Earth and all the landmasses on it. That info was hard won by skilled, competent and intelligent people and simply can't be disproven no matter what kind of nonsense vomits out of your brain.
The entire Earth is not flat you absolute fucking retard. Please don't have kids or take on employment with any sort of real world responsibility.
You're a fucking retard