believe this is one of the things to come out of all the psychological experiments the CIA did (MK Ultra etc).
Agreed, or atleast, MKUltra spread this information (since realistically this pattern has been used for a long time, even prior to the formation of america)
I think the key point is Trauma-based mindkontrol/brainwashing. In an individual you can cause the trauma by torturing them physically, and psychologically, and pharmacologically (the LSD experiments), and even spiritually.
Where it gets even crazier is when you see this effect on the collective consciousness. Every false flag perpetuates this state of fear and trauma - from the Pearl Harbor FF, to the JFK/RFK false flags, to 9/11, to coofvid 19, and on to the next one.
You could even paint much of the “hellfire preaching” of the past in a similar light of trauma-induced mind control.
and now that you mention it, i can see a fair bit of overlap between the ancient “Mystery Schools” (which have their earliest recorded appearance in Egypt but could [and likely do] date even earlier) and MKUltra, namely the use of psychedelics under circumstances that are controlled and directed by someone else for “initiation”, use of symbolism as some kind of “mental code” which can be triggered or lie dormant, crazy amounts of secrecy and gradations of knowledge/initiation “lest the rabble discover our designs”, probably others too... very interesting indeed!
Yknow, somehow even after a decade+ of general interest and seeking, I’ve never done a dive into Mystery Babylon and Bill Cooper (despite its obviously massive influence on the “conspiracy” discussion). I remember once finding a (massive) archive of all his radio broadcasts, but do you have anything that’s like an overview of his research or maybe a documentary or something? It’s just a little daunting to dive into some 400(?) hour experience, which is probably why I’ve put it off so long lol.
Oh, and I didn't read the end of your earlier comment.
"Hellfire preaching"
I'm friend with a cool dude on Reddit that is an evangelical, and believes the Bible is 66 books only, and he kinda scoffed at my Bible (The New American Bible), which I got at my Catholic high school.
I like my Bible...it has the original words in the footnotes if there's scholarly argument about them, and has nifty cross-referencing and stuff like that.
Anyhow, point is that my Bible has such mild wording compared to the KJV. It is night and day in some regards.
I ALWAYS go to my Bible to check verses, because I haven't even seen the exact same translations online, even on Biblegateway and such that have all the different versions.
Sometimes...I even think that differing interpretations of a word or phrase between versions can both be true...almost like having multiple definitions or being double entendres.
Or like how Hebrew words lack vowels and there's similarty between words sharing the same consonants. Something along those lines...
Which is good, because r*ddit has been unusable for me for the last 4-5 years.
But yeah, there really is so much there, so it’s so disingenuous of some (atheists) to dismiss it out of hand, and to a lesser extent the dogmatists who dismiss everything but their interpretations. It’s one thing to believe strongly in what you’ve come to think to be true - that’s a great thing - but it’s another thing entirely to close yourself off to everything else because more often than not you’ll miss out on even greater truths
Some of these older posts might be interesting to you:
Agreed, or atleast, MKUltra spread this information (since realistically this pattern has been used for a long time, even prior to the formation of america)
I think the key point is Trauma-based mindkontrol/brainwashing. In an individual you can cause the trauma by torturing them physically, and psychologically, and pharmacologically (the LSD experiments), and even spiritually.
Where it gets even crazier is when you see this effect on the collective consciousness. Every false flag perpetuates this state of fear and trauma - from the Pearl Harbor FF, to the JFK/RFK false flags, to 9/11, to coofvid 19, and on to the next one.
You could even paint much of the “hellfire preaching” of the past in a similar light of trauma-induced mind control.
I think MKUltra goes back to the Egyptians or earlier.
The roots of circumcision were in control.
Egyptian youth were put through various "tests" that were generally traumatic and by 14 were full fledged adults.
Interesting take on circumcision -
and now that you mention it, i can see a fair bit of overlap between the ancient “Mystery Schools” (which have their earliest recorded appearance in Egypt but could [and likely do] date even earlier) and MKUltra, namely the use of psychedelics under circumstances that are controlled and directed by someone else for “initiation”, use of symbolism as some kind of “mental code” which can be triggered or lie dormant, crazy amounts of secrecy and gradations of knowledge/initiation “lest the rabble discover our designs”, probably others too... very interesting indeed!
Yknow, somehow even after a decade+ of general interest and seeking, I’ve never done a dive into Mystery Babylon and Bill Cooper (despite its obviously massive influence on the “conspiracy” discussion). I remember once finding a (massive) archive of all his radio broadcasts, but do you have anything that’s like an overview of his research or maybe a documentary or something? It’s just a little daunting to dive into some 400(?) hour experience, which is probably why I’ve put it off so long lol.
Oh, and I didn't read the end of your earlier comment.
"Hellfire preaching"
I'm friend with a cool dude on Reddit that is an evangelical, and believes the Bible is 66 books only, and he kinda scoffed at my Bible (The New American Bible), which I got at my Catholic high school.
I like my Bible...it has the original words in the footnotes if there's scholarly argument about them, and has nifty cross-referencing and stuff like that.
Anyhow, point is that my Bible has such mild wording compared to the KJV. It is night and day in some regards.
I ALWAYS go to my Bible to check verses, because I haven't even seen the exact same translations online, even on Biblegateway and such that have all the different versions.
Sometimes...I even think that differing interpretations of a word or phrase between versions can both be true...almost like having multiple definitions or being double entendres.
Or like how Hebrew words lack vowels and there's similarty between words sharing the same consonants. Something along those lines...
I find a lot of interesting Christian discussion here, c/Christianity, and sometimes on c/ConsumeProduct
Which is good, because r*ddit has been unusable for me for the last 4-5 years.
But yeah, there really is so much there, so it’s so disingenuous of some (atheists) to dismiss it out of hand, and to a lesser extent the dogmatists who dismiss everything but their interpretations. It’s one thing to believe strongly in what you’ve come to think to be true - that’s a great thing - but it’s another thing entirely to close yourself off to everything else because more often than not you’ll miss out on even greater truths
Some of these older posts might be interesting to you:
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12i3ug0dDN/the-literal-bible/c
https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/12hkr8RTa1/what-is-going-on-with-the-echoed/c
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/12hkhql2aC/the-tree-of-life-motif-appears-t/c