I have a theory that they decided to use music in the early 90s to engage in cultural subversion.
Think about hip hop before that time. It was all positive messaging aimed at young black men to stay in school, avoid drugs, and take pride in yourself. Then in the early 90s, along came gangster rap. Suddenly "black music" was all about drugs, violence, and promiscuity.
Now think about "white people music" before that time. In the 80s it was testosterone, confidence, in-your-face, we're the best type stuff. Then along came grunge to say "life is so bad, let's all take heroin and kill ourselves, that's what the cool kids do".
The simultaneous emergence of both gangster rap and grunge cannot, in my view, be a coincidence. They wanted black youths to basically just be funnelled into the prison system, and they wanted to promote despair and meaninglessness, hopelessness etc. among white youths to break down the white nuclear family, the pillar of traditional America.
I'm sure music was being used in this manner long before the 90s, actually. It's just that that's when it becomes very obvious to me.
Also, I've told people this theory and they say "you think all those artists were in on it? All the grunge scene guys, and all the gangster rappers were knowingly propagandizing the youth?"
No, they were just creating the music they wanted to create, the propagandists simply promoted them. They find artists already putting out the message they want to send to the masses, and give them huge record deals and promote them and put them in front of the national audience.
Of course, part of their record deal is that they are assigned writers and producers to "work with" who encourage them to increase the type of messaging they want. They take these artists who are already putting out the type of material they want to send out, and have people working closely with them to ensure they focus on and amplify those themes.
Furthermore, they set these artists up with "handlers" (think Harley Pasternak), who seem to know everything about the industry and always "help" them navigate it. They are put there to seem like their best friend and most trusted confidant. Their true role is to manage their every move and make sure they stay in line.
It was the internet becoming commonplace in the home that did it, actually, on one hand a true miracle of technology that allowed people to greatly expand their view and knowledge of the world, but on the other hand most of what there was to learn and discover was quite negative, people used to grow up feeling like their hometown was the entire world, so if you grew up in a good place the world felt like a good place, then it became the norm in the first world (via the internet) to grow up with the stark understanding that your hometown was a tiny dot on a huge planet and that most of the world is frankly fucking awful, and more people learned more and more about all the bad shit happening in their own country as well, the human brain was never designed to process all this, not for thousands of years, so yeah we had that first generation that was psychologically shellshocked and the next couple generations haven't processed it very well either, you've got 6th graders making nihilistic suicide memes like it's their generation's sense of humor ffs
Agree. The internet was a better place before google took over, Facebook went public and twitter was a thing....
The internet was much different before the iPhone because the assumption that you were at a computer was present....now it was possible to be anywhere....but where the advertising asked.....we don't know said engineering....find out said the executives......don't worry they reassured the government.....
Cathode ray tube, an old tv or monitor. It basically drew the image using illuminated phosphors arranged on glass. I own a couple, they are something special.
I often think similar things. The past decade and a half has not been as good as what came before. We have fallen into scams and low quality cycles.
I definitely feel like there was a shift around 2008 and the financial collapse was probably the end of the era.
I feel like part of the focus was shifted from individual consumers to consumer categories. Online didn't care about connecting with the culture anymore, and rather it started to pull away people into their own subcultures.
These days companies rarely care about their customers. They instead seem to treat everyone as part of a collective.
I think this is communism in effect coming into our culture and destroying it.....because communism requires all play the same games......so they market to communists....which essentially will never be fun.
90s was still good. But like earlier poster said it was the start of the internet. the world started to became a lot smaller then an along came 911 things jumped of a cliff. We’ve lived in forced fear scenarios ever since. By design taking away human inspiration an creativity.
It all depends on how old you are. I look back and think that Reagan killed us.
Amnesty..... clown move
I have a theory that they decided to use music in the early 90s to engage in cultural subversion.
Think about hip hop before that time. It was all positive messaging aimed at young black men to stay in school, avoid drugs, and take pride in yourself. Then in the early 90s, along came gangster rap. Suddenly "black music" was all about drugs, violence, and promiscuity.
Now think about "white people music" before that time. In the 80s it was testosterone, confidence, in-your-face, we're the best type stuff. Then along came grunge to say "life is so bad, let's all take heroin and kill ourselves, that's what the cool kids do".
The simultaneous emergence of both gangster rap and grunge cannot, in my view, be a coincidence. They wanted black youths to basically just be funnelled into the prison system, and they wanted to promote despair and meaninglessness, hopelessness etc. among white youths to break down the white nuclear family, the pillar of traditional America.
Interesting. Music was definitely a weapon. But I appreciate your take on grunge. I can see that
I'm sure music was being used in this manner long before the 90s, actually. It's just that that's when it becomes very obvious to me.
Also, I've told people this theory and they say "you think all those artists were in on it? All the grunge scene guys, and all the gangster rappers were knowingly propagandizing the youth?"
No, they were just creating the music they wanted to create, the propagandists simply promoted them. They find artists already putting out the message they want to send to the masses, and give them huge record deals and promote them and put them in front of the national audience.
Of course, part of their record deal is that they are assigned writers and producers to "work with" who encourage them to increase the type of messaging they want. They take these artists who are already putting out the type of material they want to send out, and have people working closely with them to ensure they focus on and amplify those themes.
Furthermore, they set these artists up with "handlers" (think Harley Pasternak), who seem to know everything about the industry and always "help" them navigate it. They are put there to seem like their best friend and most trusted confidant. Their true role is to manage their every move and make sure they stay in line.
It's all really fucked up.
There was that guy Lovine who shows up around gangster rap and Interscope.
It was the internet becoming commonplace in the home that did it, actually, on one hand a true miracle of technology that allowed people to greatly expand their view and knowledge of the world, but on the other hand most of what there was to learn and discover was quite negative, people used to grow up feeling like their hometown was the entire world, so if you grew up in a good place the world felt like a good place, then it became the norm in the first world (via the internet) to grow up with the stark understanding that your hometown was a tiny dot on a huge planet and that most of the world is frankly fucking awful, and more people learned more and more about all the bad shit happening in their own country as well, the human brain was never designed to process all this, not for thousands of years, so yeah we had that first generation that was psychologically shellshocked and the next couple generations haven't processed it very well either, you've got 6th graders making nihilistic suicide memes like it's their generation's sense of humor ffs
Really hit the nail on the head. It’s like Pandora’s Box. I can’t shake it. We literally know too much for our own good.
Agree. The internet was a better place before google took over, Facebook went public and twitter was a thing....
The internet was much different before the iPhone because the assumption that you were at a computer was present....now it was possible to be anywhere....but where the advertising asked.....we don't know said engineering....find out said the executives......don't worry they reassured the government.....
Yes, and now those same people are pushing commie horseshit (ex. RATM)
What is a CRT?
Cathode ray tube, an old tv or monitor. It basically drew the image using illuminated phosphors arranged on glass. I own a couple, they are something special.
I often think similar things. The past decade and a half has not been as good as what came before. We have fallen into scams and low quality cycles.
I definitely feel like there was a shift around 2008 and the financial collapse was probably the end of the era.
I feel like part of the focus was shifted from individual consumers to consumer categories. Online didn't care about connecting with the culture anymore, and rather it started to pull away people into their own subcultures.
These days companies rarely care about their customers. They instead seem to treat everyone as part of a collective.
I think this is communism in effect coming into our culture and destroying it.....because communism requires all play the same games......so they market to communists....which essentially will never be fun.
90s was still good. But like earlier poster said it was the start of the internet. the world started to became a lot smaller then an along came 911 things jumped of a cliff. We’ve lived in forced fear scenarios ever since. By design taking away human inspiration an creativity.