What? You didn't establish that there is an existence of the flat earth psyop. But I did provide evidence for a globe earth psyop.
You provided a video. We can discuss evidence of the flat earth psyop if you wish, but because you had already mentioned some (flat earth strawman websites) i didn’t think you doubted it!
As for the globe psyop, in my view - it is a more reasonable view that we are merely miseducated. Humanity requires no assistance to be stupid and wrong as it historically always is. In any case, the anti flat earth propaganda (psyop) is typically pro globe - so depending on perspective, I agree we could consider such things part of a “globe psyop”. Do you think that most every teacher in the world is an unwitting participant in this psyop?
You see how this goes nowhere if you ignore evidence and discussion?
I’m in it for the discussion/exchange! It’s not “going nowhere” for me! I am doing the opposite of ignoring - I’m engaging... in discussion!
I am happy to discuss evidence, and don’t cite videos very often as a result. If I do cite videos I am usually happy to write out some important/relevant points in the discussion itself, as many others (like me) also don’t want to devote time to watching videos (i.e. burned too many times in the past) and are seeking discussion!
In our other thread, it was the same unmomentous discussions
Communication is hard, and takes time. It isn’t always momentous :( But it is necessary to exchange our views, which is a worthwhile goal in my view. Learning something new can indeed be momentous, and is well worth the effort in my view.
You're not earnestly trying to disprove your own notions, you aren't entertaining the evidence
Are you sure you are talking about me? I am quite happy to have my notions refuted and engage in discussions like these to that end (as well as conduct further research)! As for entertaining evidence - I just don’t watch videos and tend towards discussion instead! I am not sure when I will get to your video - perhaps you could provide (in discussion/text) some of your favorite evidences that we can discuss?
You can't see how crystal clear flat earth is because you are firmly stuck in a dicodomy that flat earth and globe earth can't be known, or that there is a debate
Not at all! Debate is base pageantry for sycophants and fools. I also avoid dichotomies - they are almost always contrived and false/wrong. The world isn’t flat or globe with no other conceivable possibilities. Of course the shape of the world can be known, just like the shape of any physical object in reality! It just can’t be known by staring at lights in the sky and “pondering”! There is only one way to determine, with certainty, the shape of physical objects; rigorous and repeated measurement of them!
Observation proves flat earth and observation proves sun is close and earth don't move
I agree that the sun is most likely much closer than the numbers made up by astronomers, I also agree the earth is stationary, but the only way to prove the shape of anything is to measure it rigorously and repeatedly (not merely observe). I am of the view that we lack the verified and verifiable data to determine the true shape of the entire world - however it is certainly not a globe of the size we are taught.
Saying "it's a video" doesn't mean its not evidence.
I agree! I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t evidence, I just meant to say it isn’t discussion! I am most interested in earnest discussion, and rarely have time for videos. I just wanted to explain that I’m not ignoring you or anything we are discussing!
And the shape of the world can be concluded not to be spherical just by staring up and pondering.
I agree! That’s the trouble, and that’s how we got into this mess at least 2 thousand years ago! We can conclude absolutely anything we want while sitting on our asses, staring up, and pondering. That is the way that mythology is created! That is precisely the way that the globe “conclusion” (really an unvalidated assumption misrepresented as fact from childhood) came to be! Don’t you see the problem?!
Peer reviewed articles are not nesseary in these observations and proofs
Agreed!
Its not debateable.
Sadly everything is debatable. The trick is to recognize that debate is not the way we determine what is going in reality, is merely base pageantry for sycophants and fools, and is to be avoided at all costs!
You can learn or stay programmed.
I choose learn! Let us learn together, and share our learning with one another!
You provided a video. We can discuss evidence of the flat earth psyop if you wish, but because you had already mentioned some (flat earth strawman websites) i didn’t think you doubted it!
As for the globe psyop, in my view - it is a more reasonable view that we are merely miseducated. Humanity requires no assistance to be stupid and wrong as it historically always is. In any case, the anti flat earth propaganda (psyop) is typically pro globe - so depending on perspective, I agree we could consider such things part of a “globe psyop”. Do you think that most every teacher in the world is an unwitting participant in this psyop?
I’m in it for the discussion/exchange! It’s not “going nowhere” for me! I am doing the opposite of ignoring - I’m engaging... in discussion!
I am happy to discuss evidence, and don’t cite videos very often as a result. If I do cite videos I am usually happy to write out some important/relevant points in the discussion itself, as many others (like me) also don’t want to devote time to watching videos (i.e. burned too many times in the past) and are seeking discussion!
Communication is hard, and takes time. It isn’t always momentous :( But it is necessary to exchange our views, which is a worthwhile goal in my view. Learning something new can indeed be momentous, and is well worth the effort in my view.
Are you sure you are talking about me? I am quite happy to have my notions refuted and engage in discussions like these to that end (as well as conduct further research)! As for entertaining evidence - I just don’t watch videos and tend towards discussion instead! I am not sure when I will get to your video - perhaps you could provide (in discussion/text) some of your favorite evidences that we can discuss?
Not at all! Debate is base pageantry for sycophants and fools. I also avoid dichotomies - they are almost always contrived and false/wrong. The world isn’t flat or globe with no other conceivable possibilities. Of course the shape of the world can be known, just like the shape of any physical object in reality! It just can’t be known by staring at lights in the sky and “pondering”! There is only one way to determine, with certainty, the shape of physical objects; rigorous and repeated measurement of them!
I agree that the sun is most likely much closer than the numbers made up by astronomers, I also agree the earth is stationary, but the only way to prove the shape of anything is to measure it rigorously and repeatedly (not merely observe). I am of the view that we lack the verified and verifiable data to determine the true shape of the entire world - however it is certainly not a globe of the size we are taught.
Agreed! Right back at ya!
I agree! I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t evidence, I just meant to say it isn’t discussion! I am most interested in earnest discussion, and rarely have time for videos. I just wanted to explain that I’m not ignoring you or anything we are discussing!
I agree! That’s the trouble, and that’s how we got into this mess at least 2 thousand years ago! We can conclude absolutely anything we want while sitting on our asses, staring up, and pondering. That is the way that mythology is created! That is precisely the way that the globe “conclusion” (really an unvalidated assumption misrepresented as fact from childhood) came to be! Don’t you see the problem?!
Agreed!
Sadly everything is debatable. The trick is to recognize that debate is not the way we determine what is going in reality, is merely base pageantry for sycophants and fools, and is to be avoided at all costs!
I choose learn! Let us learn together, and share our learning with one another!