Chineese really simple people. You got what you pay for. Just that simple. If you pay Chineese good money they make a good product. If you pay a little you get garbage. They are not like Europeans who will still try to do the job right even if paid less. Chineese will just make worse product if you pay less. Without any thoughts. You need a hand drill - OK. If you pay reasonable money they will make a perfect drill, with good copper-coiled brushless motor, steel gears, quality plastic body and precision chuck. It will be really good tool, may be even better than Western brand one. If you tell that there will be slightly less money - they without problems and questions will make you a drill with working brushed motor, plastic gears and still decent body. If you will pay them little, they again, without any thoughts, questions and single warning will make you drill too. It will still look like you want, but will be made from complete garbage - weak plastic, shitty chuck, aluminium coiled brushed motors (with short and unchangeable brushes) and gears from the unknown substance resembling dried snot. And it will be assembled using worst possible wires and screws. And they will do it with same smile, just like in first case. You could name any price and they will say - OK, we will do it.
IDK, Chineese have completely different attitude to the creating things for money. They assume that customer better know what he want and that is why he pay that price. They don't care about quality of product at all, they care only about providing the product to the customer for his price.
You could observe that thing on the example of formerly good Western brands. When they moved production to China, initially things had decent quality. But the "effective managers" began to "save money". They come to Chineese and ask - "could you make that same thing but for lower money?". Cheneese answer - "Of course we can, no problem, where is your money". "Effective managers" got their bonuses for "saving money" and end consumers got thing that looks exactly like older ones, but with lower quality. "Effective managers" of the brand did that trick multiple times, and "suddenly", we now have brand things made from garbage and like garbage.
So, really, playing that game with Chineese, Musk will just get complete garbage instead of same thing for lower price. AFAIK, the quality of latest Tesla models already worsening. So, Musk will just get what he paid for. No less, no more.
I disagree to a certain extent, the Chinese will produce shit if you don't provide verification.
They perfectly know how to bypass your verification. F.e. they will make gears from cheaper, harder, but brittle plastic. Device will perfectly pass postmanufacturing verification, but gears will fall to pieces very quickly. If you want to "save money".
Chineese relatively honest with customer who do the business honestly. But somehow have very good sense of greedy customer. If they feel that greed, they will never be honest with such person.
If you hand them a lot of money, and don't verify, they will keep the money and turn out shit.
Of course there could be swindlers among them. But most will look at you first, and then decide, will they swindle you or not. I have some business with them, and rarely meet open swindlers, and when I do, it was always clearly visible from the beginning. IDK, may be they treat Russians somehow different, but I doubt they see any difference among Europeans, just like we barely could distinguish them.
If you hand them money AND send western quality managers to run the plantation, then you get what you want.
Never did that, but never had problems with quality. However, I never ask them to do something for the limited price or tried to lower price. I asked for quality, and then they named price I usually agreed with. May be that could be the secret, IDK. Also, interesting fact - when I start some project with Chineese, they usually ask, if I want my own brandname and all that "Made in Russia" stuff on the product. I always told them that I do not see any reason to do that, and I don't want to disguise their devices as my own. May be that could be the key of honest business with Chineese.
I think we could ask our asian friend u/Mrexreturns . At least he is closer to China and may be will be able and willing to confirm or disprove our statements and observations.
Chineese really simple people. You got what you pay for. Just that simple. If you pay Chineese good money they make a good product. If you pay a little you get garbage. They are not like Europeans who will still try to do the job right even if paid less. Chineese will just make worse product if you pay less. Without any thoughts. You need a hand drill - OK. If you pay reasonable money they will make a perfect drill, with good copper-coiled brushless motor, steel gears, quality plastic body and precision chuck. It will be really good tool, may be even better than Western brand one. If you tell that there will be slightly less money - they without problems and questions will make you a drill with working brushed motor, plastic gears and still decent body. If you will pay them little, they again, without any thoughts, questions and single warning will make you drill too. It will still look like you want, but will be made from complete garbage - weak plastic, shitty chuck, aluminium coiled brushed motors (with short and unchangeable brushes) and gears from the unknown substance resembling dried snot. And it will be assembled using worst possible wires and screws. And they will do it with same smile, just like in first case. You could name any price and they will say - OK, we will do it.
IDK, Chineese have completely different attitude to the creating things for money. They assume that customer better know what he want and that is why he pay that price. They don't care about quality of product at all, they care only about providing the product to the customer for his price.
You could observe that thing on the example of formerly good Western brands. When they moved production to China, initially things had decent quality. But the "effective managers" began to "save money". They come to Chineese and ask - "could you make that same thing but for lower money?". Cheneese answer - "Of course we can, no problem, where is your money". "Effective managers" got their bonuses for "saving money" and end consumers got thing that looks exactly like older ones, but with lower quality. "Effective managers" of the brand did that trick multiple times, and "suddenly", we now have brand things made from garbage and like garbage.
So, really, playing that game with Chineese, Musk will just get complete garbage instead of same thing for lower price. AFAIK, the quality of latest Tesla models already worsening. So, Musk will just get what he paid for. No less, no more.
They perfectly know how to bypass your verification. F.e. they will make gears from cheaper, harder, but brittle plastic. Device will perfectly pass postmanufacturing verification, but gears will fall to pieces very quickly. If you want to "save money".
Chineese relatively honest with customer who do the business honestly. But somehow have very good sense of greedy customer. If they feel that greed, they will never be honest with such person.
Of course there could be swindlers among them. But most will look at you first, and then decide, will they swindle you or not. I have some business with them, and rarely meet open swindlers, and when I do, it was always clearly visible from the beginning. IDK, may be they treat Russians somehow different, but I doubt they see any difference among Europeans, just like we barely could distinguish them.
Never did that, but never had problems with quality. However, I never ask them to do something for the limited price or tried to lower price. I asked for quality, and then they named price I usually agreed with. May be that could be the secret, IDK. Also, interesting fact - when I start some project with Chineese, they usually ask, if I want my own brandname and all that "Made in Russia" stuff on the product. I always told them that I do not see any reason to do that, and I don't want to disguise their devices as my own. May be that could be the key of honest business with Chineese.
I think we could ask our asian friend u/Mrexreturns . At least he is closer to China and may be will be able and willing to confirm or disprove our statements and observations.