MacArthur got chased out of the Philippines, vowed to come back and eventually did.
Right. That doesn't change the fact that getting chased out of the Philippines is recognized — by even the U.S. government — as an American military defeat. Just like getting chased out of all of central and western Ukraine is a Russian military defeat, i.e., a failed invasion.
I mean, really. It almost goes without saying that if you and your joint-operative try to do a sweeping invasion of a country, lose 25,000 troops and render a quarter of your battalions combative ineffective, then retreat from all but a sliver of the country, you have failed your invasion.
But hey, say what you like. I will circle back to you in a couple months when Russia is in full mobilization, more combat ineffective, and kicked out of even more of Ukraine.
And a defeat early on doesn’t mean your side loses in the end. Russia plans to use the infrastructure of Ukraine after they take them, so it’s not like carpet bombing and artillery striking every square inch of the country is an option. They have to carefully capture and then hold territory and having civilians be able to work in the factories and power stations etc afterwards is kinda important.
But you’re right, Russia could never conquer anyone. I’ll just sit here and Crimea river over those poor Russian troops
Right. That doesn't change the fact that getting chased out of the Philippines is recognized — by even the U.S. government — as an American military defeat. Just like getting chased out of all of central and western Ukraine is a Russian military defeat, i.e., a failed invasion.
I mean, really. It almost goes without saying that if you and your joint-operative try to do a sweeping invasion of a country, lose 25,000 troops and render a quarter of your battalions combative ineffective, then retreat from all but a sliver of the country, you have failed your invasion.
But hey, say what you like. I will circle back to you in a couple months when Russia is in full mobilization, more combat ineffective, and kicked out of even more of Ukraine.
And a defeat early on doesn’t mean your side loses in the end. Russia plans to use the infrastructure of Ukraine after they take them, so it’s not like carpet bombing and artillery striking every square inch of the country is an option. They have to carefully capture and then hold territory and having civilians be able to work in the factories and power stations etc afterwards is kinda important. But you’re right, Russia could never conquer anyone. I’ll just sit here and Crimea river over those poor Russian troops
Right, it just means that your plan for a sweeping invasion of the country has failed — which was my point.