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Moskva broken arrow, radiation warning (www.veteranstoday.com)
posted 3 years ago by DavidColeIntrepid 3 years ago by DavidColeIntrepid +6 / --1
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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 4 points 3 years ago +5 / -1

Article is short, here's the whole thing

We are under a Broken Arrow alert (extreme radiation danger for entire Black Sea region/Northern Turkey/Bosporus).

The US Harpoon missile that hit the Moskva, targeted from our AEGIS in Romania, was targeted to purposefully hit one of the front missile tubes on the Moskva. These carry the nuclear tipped 350 kiloton missiles and several other nukes, now sitting in shallow water with one or more of them, and up to 4 plutonium pits pouring radiation into the Black Sea.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

At what point did the Moskva have that capability?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva

https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/151161-moskva_cruiser/

Here from the Daily Mail. Sounds like projection. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10721351/Ukraine-war-Fears-Moskva-warship-carrying-nuclear-weapons-sank.html

But because it fired during a test exercise prior to conflict, there is the possible speculation with its anti aircraftcarrier missiles, ship destroyers. Were they nuclear tipped? Why would they be if it was immediately deployed in the Black Sea. It outfits at Sevestapol. No immediate ship threats to use nuclear tipped supersonics.

It always has them? When it's resupplying regularly in an active conflict.

Odds aren't entirely there.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Andrii Klymenko, project manager at the Black Sea Institute for Strategic Studies, said: "Experts say that there are 2 nuclear warheads for cruise missiles on board the 'Moskva' (perhaps this could be news for many, but yes, this ship is a carrier of nuclear weapons)," the Ukrayinska Pravda reported.

https://wap.business-standard.com/article/international/sunken-russian-cruiser-moskva-could-have-nuclear-warheads-122041500587_1.html

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

The Bosphorus Strait is closed. Russia knows this. What immediate threat is there.

It had test fired at a daring range supersonics which can be outfitted tipped with nukes. Prior to the conflict. Showing capability. These are primarily antiship weapons.

The other two in the Med, I would be far more worried about. The Northern Fleet.

But okay you have this ship in conflict. It's going to prioritise immediate need. It will resupply and outfit accordingly. Its docking Port is right there. Not hypotheticals.

Of course a gunslinger carries everything but why are you bringing it to that fight when you're resupplying at your Dock less than a day away.

Marginal odds. If something else entered the strait. You'd know about it. Then you'd regroup and refit to match.

Explain, because it doesn't make sense? Antiship weapons are suddenly hitting land targets. It didn't have that role.

When the spyplanes pick up the diving operation, recover the broken arrows, everybody can stop guessing. So many erratic claims.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

We're talking about pools of plutonium in the ocean. I'm unsure what you're asking about

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– Ep0ch 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You're talking about nuclear weapons onboard a ship which had no reason to carry them in this immediate conflict. In escalation perhaps. If it needed them it would dock and fit them. Sevastapol is right there, it takes about a day to Dock off the Ukrainian coastline. Where it would be actively resupplying in a conflict. If a Nato ship or threat went through the Bosphorus Strait, it would have time to rearm. At what point did it need nukes onboard for this conflict? The nuke tips it carried were supposedly an antiship based supersonic. Are they for ground based targets. It has planes and silos and mobile launchers for that. Or even other ships and subs.

The Bosphorus strait is closed to Russian ships. It might not be to Nato, but it could provoke all out war, if other threatening navy went through it. The Black Sea has largely non threatening navies nearby like Bulgaria and Romania. There is Turkey and Greece with far more battleships, not much match to Russia navy, more than Ukraine, but I didn't think they're sailing up the Black Sea through the Black Sea Fleet. At what point did the Moskva need supersonic antiship nukes?

Or do tell me they're for land targets. Now you're claiming they're leaking, because its nukes were hit. What are you talking about?

Do you understand the odds of your claim they're marginal. Highly improbable. Because of its range, and the active demand for them in this conflict. It test fired that weapon of a range of more than 900km recently. Okay perhaps rather than resupply it carries. But if a strike group went through the Bosphorus, would it race there to face, or would it shell? It would shell next to its Sams at Svestapol, firing from range. In which case wouldn't it rearm. Strike group would also use planes. It's hypothetical. Speculation. More erratic claims of OMG Russia's nuking the ocean.

It's laughable because when nukes fly they aren't flying like that either. That ship didn't have much immunity regardless. Nevermind to a squadron of planes.

I am drinking reading a tabloid, remembering the exocets.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

weapons on board a ship which had no reason to carry them in this immediate conflict

That's a gigantic supposition. I don't think you're in a position to dictate what is and what isn't necessary to anyone in this conflict. Have you seen the biolabs?

If it needed them it would dock and fit them

Speculative

The nuke tips it carried were supposedly an antiship based supersonic.

Where are you getting this? From the post?

It has planes and silos and mobile launchers for that. Or even other ships and subs.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to "debunk" this report? That's what it seems like you're doing.

Now you're claiming they're leaking,

That's what is being reported, yes. Im all for speculation of troop movements based on what facts we have. I would ask you to be more clear about what you're saying because I have no idea

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– Ep0ch -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Stop repeating my words and filling in the blanks with your nonsense.

I shouldn't need to link. You're grown up and can use Google yourself.

You've created a supposition that they're nuclear tipped. P-1000 antiship missiles. Vulcans.

At what point did it need nuclear tipped supersonic antiship missiles. Read the past wiki and the paper with its armaments. Find it on Google if you need too.

Because you're claiming they were for ground targets. You're claiming they got hit. And now Russia has created a nuclear disaster. On par with all the other chemical weapons it uses. See the profile you're parroting. See why you're parroting it. Now do you understand that it is practically baseless? But it makes a good tabloid. OMG the irradiation is going to be killing fishermen for years. Better get the UN hazmats to broken arrow them first.

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– ZyklonBen -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

pools of plutonium

Do you think that Plutonium is a liquid?

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Source on placement of mozka missile battery?

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I have no pictures. Only reports

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– Clobro 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

Fake.

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– Smokratez 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

david is a pedo fed who spams funny to gain the trust of scored users, then posts things like

I should have been clear that Ashkenazi are the majority of people who call themselves "jews", and these people are white.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Defending white supremacists, are you?

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– Smokratez 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

name one white supremacist

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

George Soros, Klaus Schwab, Jeffrey Epstein (who worked with geneticists to "seed" the human race with his genes, volodomir zelensky. How many else you want?

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– Smokratez 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Those are jews. jews are not white. Come on pedo fed. Do better.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Why do you think white people with red hair who are obviously cromagnon "Indo-European" Aryans with the genetic markers to prove it aren't white? What the hell makes you think Caucasians who are from the caucus mountains aren't fucking white?

"Fake news" go fuck yourself

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– Smokratez 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

jews look white because they have been raping and breeding white women for thousands of years. semites aren't white.

I am the truth. Masturbation is for homosexuals.

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– Clobro 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

A Fedo you say... LOL

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– Smokratez 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

I do.

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– DavidColeIntrepid [S] -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!1!

You forgot this

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– Smokratez 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

eat shit retard

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