I mean it's effectively airborne aids mechanically isn't it?
They attack the same cells? Only difference to my understanding is aids hijacks the cell for replication where as covid hides in the cell for replication?
They’re saying that they know the vaccines for Covid could:
cause ADE
cause AIDs-like symptoms
require TLR ligands to prevent cytokine storms
They discuss preventing it but admit that:
It should be noted, however, that it is only partially possible to predict vaccine efficacy and safety [28]. Due to its urgency, COVID-19 vaccination should be given the highest priority.
So basically: “we don’t know if we address these issues but we need to do it anyways…”
I'm very interested to keep this discussion going. We have one in the hospital now who's lungs are failing shortly after the vax. They're calling it idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.
I did read something attributing a possible cause of his condition to parasitic activity and am curious if ivermectin is the way to go. They're talking double transplant.
I think this decodes as “a stiffening of tissue over time caused by chronic inflation from immune response”
Have they tried anything such as: antioxidants, diuretics, anti inflammatory, steroids, etc?
As best as i can tell, ivermectin seems to work due to its role in limiting RNA transcription. It’s acting ~ anti viral.
Haven't heard exactly what treatment (s) has been given. My instinct told me they labeled his condition without taking the circumstances into consideration. No prior health issues whatsoever. Never a word about lung issues til now. I could be wrong but this smells of a misdiagnosis.
Do you have a medical liaison? Such a person is essentially a private doctor that you pay to help manage care. May be worth the cost amidst the circumstances. Send to me that steroids and pulmonary therapy are common treatments for these types of conditions. Sorry that you’re going through this.
What an upside down and backwards world we live in. Got the call yesterday morning that they took him off the BiPap and were "making him comfortable". By yesterday evening he was gone. They're killing people. Plain and simple.
EDIT: Happy to be corrected here, I'm not well read on immunology.
Interesting that even inactivated virus vaccines can be dangerous (basically all 4 vaccines here suspected of inducing hypersensitivity to the virus -> immune system goes into overdrive on reinfection -> vaxxed get sicker than unvaxxed on reinfection with the same virus). I guess I was wrong about them being no worse than the disease. In case of reinfection in unvaxxed animals:
the infiltrates were nearly 100% monocytes and lymphocytes without the eosinophil component seen in the vaccinated challenged animals. [i.e. no Th2-type immunopathologic reaction]
TLDR:
Thus, a Th2-type immunopathologic reaction on challenge of vaccinated animals has occurred in three of four animal models (not in hamsters) including two different inbred mouse strains with four different types of SARS-CoV vaccines with and without alum adjuvant. An inactivated vaccine preparation that does not induce this result in mice, ferrets and nonhuman primates has not been reported.
If this is happening with our vaccines, more hopitalizations and deaths. They might blame it on Omicron or some variant and go for lockdowns? This study, if it holds for COVID vaccines, would imply boosters for life / recurring revenue is not the goal (since more boosters -> even more sensitive. They would see that the unvaxxed are fine, so why would they keep taking it)? I guess they would want no one to be unvaxxed so there would be no control group to compare to?
If so, pretty cool strategy by the elite. Basically without releasing a dangerous virus (just a mild one), they still cause the damage of a much more dangerous virus -> can kill off enough people to initiate lockdown?
There's too much resistance to Australia-type lockdowns (without mass deaths), so they go for Dark Winter type lockdown where there are many deaths and people will willingly comply (but deaths caused by immune system overreaction due to vaccines, not the virus itself. But without a control group of unvaxxed, how could you know)?
There’s a way to prove it through dose dependent response relationships. Essentially the 1 vax vs 2,3,4,…. etc and then compare ratio of neutralizing antibodies to no specific immunity response (monocytes/lymphocytes etc). It’s called “antigenic sin”. I’m studying it now. Seems to explain why some people get a serious case and others get asymptomatic.
More than that. It could make you hypersensitive to future infections with the same virus -> immune system over response (sicker than unvaxxed) -> hospitalization (more than unvaxxed).
See my other comment on this page for my layman speculation.
They used 4 types. Granted one is as you state the whole virus. The other 3 would involve s proteins to some extent:
The viral like particles are arguably antigens caused by the spikes proteins.
s protein version.
DNA version (basically AZ and JNJ vax)
Four different SARS-CoV vaccines were evaluated in these studies (Table 1). Two whole virus vaccines were evaluated; one was prepared in Vero tissue cultures, zonal centrifuged for purification, and double-inactivated with formalin and UV irradiation, the DI vaccine (DIV); it was tested with and without alum adjuvant [16]. The other whole virus vaccine was prepared in Vero cells, concentrated, purified, inactivated with beta propiolactone and packaged with alum adjuvant (BPV) [13]. A recombinant DNA spike (S) protein vaccine (SV) was produced in insect cells and purified by column chromatography was tested with and without alum adjuvant [17]. The fourth vaccine (the VLP vaccine) was a virus-like particle vaccine prepared by us as described previously; it contained the SARS-CoV spike protein (S) and the Nucleocapsid (N), envelope (E) and membrane (M) proteins from mouse hepatitis coronavirus (MHV) [20].
Wow nice find! Thanks for providing the source in the comments too.
I just realized the significance of the last part of the title: “upon exposure to the virus”… it’s the vax+virus that causes the trigger.
I mean it's effectively airborne aids mechanically isn't it? They attack the same cells? Only difference to my understanding is aids hijacks the cell for replication where as covid hides in the cell for replication?
u/UrTVisLying2U mentioned something about this
Src https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
Was also wanting to check out this one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32544911/
Strategies to Prevent SARS-CoV-2-Mediated Eosinophilic Disease in Association with COVID-19 Vaccination and Infection
They’re saying that they know the vaccines for Covid could:
They discuss preventing it but admit that:
So basically: “we don’t know if we address these issues but we need to do it anyways…”
I'm very interested to keep this discussion going. We have one in the hospital now who's lungs are failing shortly after the vax. They're calling it idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.
I did read something attributing a possible cause of his condition to parasitic activity and am curious if ivermectin is the way to go. They're talking double transplant.
I think this decodes as “a stiffening of tissue over time caused by chronic inflation from immune response”
Have they tried anything such as: antioxidants, diuretics, anti inflammatory, steroids, etc?
As best as i can tell, ivermectin seems to work due to its role in limiting RNA transcription. It’s acting ~ anti viral.
Not advice just brainstorming
Haven't heard exactly what treatment (s) has been given. My instinct told me they labeled his condition without taking the circumstances into consideration. No prior health issues whatsoever. Never a word about lung issues til now. I could be wrong but this smells of a misdiagnosis.
Do you have a medical liaison? Such a person is essentially a private doctor that you pay to help manage care. May be worth the cost amidst the circumstances. Send to me that steroids and pulmonary therapy are common treatments for these types of conditions. Sorry that you’re going through this.
What an upside down and backwards world we live in. Got the call yesterday morning that they took him off the BiPap and were "making him comfortable". By yesterday evening he was gone. They're killing people. Plain and simple.
Meant to thank you for your help by the way.
Yup. I think I’ve learned the mechanism today too. It’s called antigenic sin. I’ll try to post on it later.
correction printed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3436093/
but i'm not smart enough to tell the changes, althouygh it doesn't look like much
Seems like minor changes? I didn’t look too closely. They didn’t change any of the test they I can see.
EDIT: Happy to be corrected here, I'm not well read on immunology.
Interesting that even inactivated virus vaccines can be dangerous (basically all 4 vaccines here suspected of inducing hypersensitivity to the virus -> immune system goes into overdrive on reinfection -> vaxxed get sicker than unvaxxed on reinfection with the same virus). I guess I was wrong about them being no worse than the disease. In case of reinfection in unvaxxed animals:
TLDR:
If this is happening with our vaccines, more hopitalizations and deaths. They might blame it on Omicron or some variant and go for lockdowns? This study, if it holds for COVID vaccines, would imply boosters for life / recurring revenue is not the goal (since more boosters -> even more sensitive. They would see that the unvaxxed are fine, so why would they keep taking it)? I guess they would want no one to be unvaxxed so there would be no control group to compare to?
If so, pretty cool strategy by the elite. Basically without releasing a dangerous virus (just a mild one), they still cause the damage of a much more dangerous virus -> can kill off enough people to initiate lockdown?
There's too much resistance to Australia-type lockdowns (without mass deaths), so they go for Dark Winter type lockdown where there are many deaths and people will willingly comply (but deaths caused by immune system overreaction due to vaccines, not the virus itself. But without a control group of unvaxxed, how could you know)?
There’s a way to prove it through dose dependent response relationships. Essentially the 1 vax vs 2,3,4,…. etc and then compare ratio of neutralizing antibodies to no specific immunity response (monocytes/lymphocytes etc). It’s called “antigenic sin”. I’m studying it now. Seems to explain why some people get a serious case and others get asymptomatic.
If I'm reading this correctly, then it is saying you are susceptible to covid after you take the vaccine?
I think it’s: “SARs is more damaging once they had been vaccinated”
More than that. It could make you hypersensitive to future infections with the same virus -> immune system over response (sicker than unvaxxed) -> hospitalization (more than unvaxxed).
See my other comment on this page for my layman speculation.
This paper is about inactivated whole virus vaccines. Covid vaccines used today are mRNA vaccines.
They used 4 types. Granted one is as you state the whole virus. The other 3 would involve s proteins to some extent:
Here’s the full text: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421