It is not about all that fancy internet-connected GPS attached entertainment systems and ECUs - they are easily hacked and removed.
It is about much more evil thing.
I already wrote about energy yoke on your neck.
I know, you already get it.
With ICE(Internal Combustion Engine) car, you could easily stock fuel for a bad day, you could grow plants and use their oil in your diesel, you could build wood gas generator and run on wood, you could even run your gasoline engine on methane from cow shit. Really, nobody could stop you from rinding your ICE car when you need it.
That is not the case with electric cars. You charge them from centralized electricity network, that could be turned off in a second, if they want to stop any travels.
And charging electric car using home devices like gasoline generators or some solar panels or whatever is not like filling a tank from barrel, and even not like starting a fire in wood gas generator. In the best situation (gasoline/diesel generator) It will take a day to get only few hundred miles and you still need fuel to do it. And it is much more fuel per mile.
So, buying electric car you completely tie yourself to the good will of giant electric corporation / authorities.
And in emergnecy, say, when you will need to ride away, they just turn off electricity few days before. You have a car, but you can't fuel it, at least in reasonable time.
So, electric cars is not about all that ecology crap, and is not about some innovation things, they are just another way to take out some independency from people.
I know, sounds like I'm a Luddite, but that is not true. Really, electric cars is older that ICE ones, And still, just like at the beginning, they are just fancy overpriced and overengineered toys that could not withstand a real-life competition with ICE cars.
100%
Wrong. The 4860 Tesla Battery that is coming out is going to destroy the ICE industry.
It's also about planned obsolescence. Batteries are good for about 10 years, if everyone only has electric cars most people will need to buy a new car on a regular basis, and lose the option to buy a reasonable priced used car.
Ehh. Not the best argument imo. Designed obsolescence has already been at play in the normal automotive industry for decades. OCD gearheads can get more life out of their vehicles but your average oil change and tire rotation suburbanites will likely have catastrophic failure of some kind should they keep and use their vehicles longer than the average 6 years most new cars are kept for nowadays. Not to mention parts designed to fail that we all accept like tires and bulbs.
Good point. Designed obsolescence is a way of control too.
However, in most cases there is a workaround. Not simple, but absolutely possible. They put intentionally weakened parts into devices they sold you. Say, they began to use plastic fittings in car engines that will crack after few years. Make the same part from metal, and it will last forever. Yes, that will take some your time, money and knowledge, but it is absolutely possible. In perfect world you would not need to, but we are in something closely resembling hell. So, it is not a huge price to get rid from one of torture that bastards think out for you.
It's conversations like this that remind me that the light bulb cabal was a very real thing. The Phoebus Cartel.
And light bulb conspiracy definitely was not a sole one.
Again, there was a simple solution for US. Instead of bying US one, buy 4 times more powerful bulb made for European 220V, and that's all. At US 110V working with 4 times less than nominal power it will last forever.
In Russia, were we have 220V, we bought two bulbs with 4 times wattage and connected them in series.
For LED bulbs it is even easier, check "DIY Dubai LED bulb". Nearly any LED bulb could be tuned to last many times longer.
They had to find a filament that would last a while, but not too long and would eventually burn out. After trial and error they landed on tungsten. And I can't think of a single LED I've had that has ever gone out. Not saying it never happens but I can't think of one.
It is figured for specific wattage (filament temperature). So, if you run that bulb with much less wattage, filament designed for higher power will wear many orders less.
You are lucky, or you have a good supplier/brand. :)
Sounding mighty anti-semitic there chief
I drive a 2009 suv and the alternator kept blowing because the cooling pump wasn't working. 3 mechanics it took until the last one (dealership) found the problem. But after changing that the car runs as smooth as ever. Idk where you get 6 years from.
6 years is the average time people keep new vehicles. Perhaps leasing is averaged into that as well.
They want total control over everything, to the point they can turn down the A/C in your car if they want to.
And of course total control over each human being, where they can press a button and someone will pass out, like if someone is robbing a bank they can simply press a button. This is a problem when tyrants are in control though.
Each step into technological dependence weakens us, we can see this even in the calculator, because if we lose that tool now we don't know how to do what would have been basic for a 5th grader 100 years ago.
People in poverty living on farms I believe used to have around a 50,000 word vocabulary and that's been dwindled down to maybe 8,000 (IIRC) words today as we have blended everything together for short sound bites and headlines rather than reading complex books that take a lot of focus and brainpower.
I think Rene Guenon gets into this in "Crisis of the Modern World" and "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of Times."
The fact Rene Guenon is so difficult to even comprehend with the ancient metaphysical language and thought, shows how far we have fallen into materialism, and why the West is doomed.
Same for much of Westernized American Christianity, it's like the church got the WORD part right but completely forgot the metaphysical and symbolic IMAGE that the ancient Eastern church still has. (I mix East and West together, I'm like a weird Eastern Protestant like the guy who made that video; also check out Jonathan Pageau, the Symbolic World, that's the future of Christianity, where the new revival will start, IMO).
Only if you allow it. Technology could make you stronger if you wish. You could use internet to hang in stupid social networks becoming dumber, and at the same time you could use it for self-education, searching truth and other very useful things.
In the same way cars don't make us weaker. They allow us to do things faster, enhace our habitat area and all that stuff.
Calculators dont make us weaker too. Calculators do not erase our ability to divide and multiply big numbers. Once you learned how to do it, you will never forget it. It's like riding bicycle. It is education system that don't teach important things makes us weaker. With perfect education you will be able to figure out a way to do math even nobody teach you to, say, divide big numbers manually.
Things and tech is as good or evil, as people who use them. Everybody could use them. If they use them we could too. And it depends only on our will to use them for good or evil, or leave that choice for some authority.
It is just a matter of our attitude to things. To study and use things in your interests you have to stop afraid them in first place.
First question should be not "is it good or evil thing", but "how could I use that thing". That's all.
If you have a button, take a look what's behind before pressing it. If you see some wires to some big brother - just cut them. And only then press that button and get your cup of coffee, send message, start a car, whatever.
Philosophers could spend a decades thinking about the goodness or evilness of computers instead just studing how they really work and using them.
They will regulate how much you can charge it throught the “smart charger” connected to the net.
Everything "smart" is running a program. You could replace that program with your own or fake environment for that program. It is not a real problem.
The problem is that you need ~80kWh to charge your average electric car. Simplifying, it could be a 80kW pushed to a car in a hour, or, 1kW pushed to a car in a 80 hours. For average household you hardly could obtain more than 5kW from a socket, so it will be minimum 16 hours to charge your car. In reality there is losses, so it will be longer.
Not sure where in Russia you live but as a Canadian I push back against the electric car agenda because of ol man winter. My ICE vehicles have great heat output, and I’ve added electric seat heaters to a few of them. My daily driver is an 07 ram with 542000km with the stock thermostat being 203 degrees. Seemed kinda odd when I first changed it but kept the stock temp because I loved the heat output when it’s -40C and I’m still warm and my windows are clear. I carry a can of gas in the box for emergencies and of i got trapped on the side of the road in a massive snow storm I don’t have to worry about freezing to death for a few days if I have a full tank to start with. Then I look at electric cars and wonder when the joke will end. Not only do I personally find 99% of them ugly as shit(I’m a muscle car and truck guy, not an import or euro fan) and I honestly wouldn’t want to be caught dead in one. I like turning my wrenches and changing my own parts to keep costs down, Tesla locking out shade tree mechanics behind their computer shit is another reason I wouldn’t want one. And then there’s killing your range when you turn on the cabin heater. To have maximum range they encourage you to use the seat heaters and not the cabin heater. Plus the battery has its own heater to keep it from freezing so you lose more range there as well. Now you need a 220 volt charger outside for car, or in the winter you’re wasting your time. For most of us that requires a special installation, not everyone has a 220 volt plug out on the bar for the welder or big equipment. One video I watched explained that because of the battery heater, a 110 volt charger in winter on a Tesla could be plugged in for a week straight and you’d come out to a dead battery because it wasn’t enough to both charge and heat the system. Now most people who run EV’s probably don’t care, and don’t mind a special high voltage plug and cord for their car. But for families with multiple vehicles? I need to install two just for my wife and I? Three in case one of my daughters come home? No thanks. Next, emergency vehicles. Do I want an ambulance or firetruck that needs to be plugged in for an hour to recharge to have 80% range, or a diesel that has the same range in the cold but fuels up in minutes? Hmm. Tough choice there. Gimme the diesel. The only way I’d accept an electric vehicle is if it comes equipped with a nuclear system and doesn’t need to be charged every day, has the ability to have the cooling system dump heat into the cabin, and im allowed to modify the rest of the vehicle as I see fit. Sadly we’ll never get these, as too many boomers live in fear of “dirty bombs” made from the nuclear engine and car crashes making a dangerous mess. Even though it’s clearly the superior form of EV, we don’t get to have it, military only. Which frankly sucks.
Yes, cold winter (usually we have a week or few with -20 - -30°C) here makes all that EVs a summer toys, like cabrios. Some fans tried to drive them at winter, but finally even hardcore fans give up and put their EVs in heated garages to save batteries for summer rides.
A perfect example of one size not fitting all. What works in sunny California or Brazil ain’t working in frozen Canada, Russia or Greenland. But if you listen to them the EV is the holy grail of transportation. Sad, really. They’re rampant fanboyism goes completely over their own heads.
Really, it is all a result of using a battery, which is electrochemical device with inevitable temperature dependence, limited cycles, cost and all other flaws.
EVs without battery is used widely without any problems and have a solid niche in worldwide transportation for a long time - electric locomotives/trains, trams, trolley buses, etc. So electric powertrain is not a source of problems. And honestly, I think it is much better than ICE powertrain, it is simplier, reliable and have better dynamic parameters.
But instead of development a good reliable and independent electric power source for electric cars, they just push obviously inappropriate batteries locking users to electric companies and limiting them by climate conditions.
Seems that promising fuel cells development is intentionally slowed down. First - a patents for protone membranes, that make this simple sheets of plastic overpriced to the level when all idea become void. Small 1kW DMFC costs like a helicopter. Second - every year some top brand promise fuel cells for notebooks/smartphones. For a 20 years. Without any result. Toshiba once manufactured a small commercial batch of direct methanol charger, Dynaro, with 5V 1A IIRC, but the manufacturing was quickly cut down without any explanation and reason, ignoring the obvious public ineterst and demand. So, we have a working technology, but it is obviously supressed. Interesting that direct alcohol fuel cells solve most problems of batteries - instant readiness, unlimited idle storage, convenient fuel storage, decent efficiency of 30-40%, and they produce enough heat when working to heat a car in cold climate. Unfortunately they have some wear (proton membranes become clogged with impurities of fuel), and while it is extremely easy to replace worn membranes, their cost is enormous.
IDK, is this a conspiracy of battery makers or something more evil and complex, but here we are. And it seems that there no any changes in the roadmap of EVs planned.
Electric drive trains can be good, depending on the use. A tank or a train that needs to get moving can make use of an electric motors maximum torque output at 0 rpm for instance. Higher rpm results in lower power output on an electric motor, so low rpm use like a diesel is ideal. But as you’ve stated the battery is the weak point in the chain. Lithium ion in a stop gap, hydrogen is nice but storage is an issue, when it comes to energy density petroleum is awesome. Easy to store and transport, easy enough to make biodiesel or alcohol to keep your fleet running in the apocalypse, but the battery is the weak point. I’m not looking forward to seeing the junkyards full of EV’s in the next decade, there’s already some filling up with impossible to recycle batteries. And even if they can recycle them, the cost of it and pollution from the process vs just making a new one is almost always lower to just make a new one. I love the old cars. My dad’s 1965 convertible runs and drives great still. My 1977 4 door hardtop starts and purrs like the 1980’s didn’t even happen yet. Cheap parts from rockauto keep my fleet of cars and trucks running happily, but an EV just isn’t getting a parking spot next to my other vehicles for a long long time, if one ever does. Hell, we had motherboards able to report in plain English what went wrong in the early 2000’s. Other languages available too if I recall. We have tons of great technology that NEVER gets used. Your car could tell you via the radio EXACTLY what’s gone wrong but that would cut into the stealership profits. Can’t have that. Dry sump oil systems that have been used since ww2 still aren’t common even when they could ensure zero downtime on industrial generators, for instance.
The way locomotives are powered will not change.
For sure though you do realize this tech already exists in just any every vehicle better than 2012. They all have cellular modems onboard with computer integrated killswitches
Who and how stops you to remove that crap from your car? Just trash them out, and that's all.
The modern engines need the computers to operate and the computers and the modem is a part of that integrated circuit. I suppose it’s possible but too difficult for almost everyone. Even if you succeed it would void the warranty lol
No it's not. People chip their cars all the time. They won't be able to control us with software in cars. We'll hack around it. If they try to lock it down, we'll replace the entire control unit with open source software and different hardware. If the problem affects enough people, it will be hacked, just like everything else.
That is one of the greatest lies they want you believe into. Everyone could do it. Yes, that will need some effort, but the result will be not only getting rid of something you don't need in your car, but a knowledge how things work. You will get much more than you loose.
99% of people don’t even change their own engine oil and now all the sudden they’re hacking their vehicles? Doesn’t seem likely….
No. 99% people are too lazy and too conformal. They don't want to do it, not can't do it.
My uncle has a country place, that no-one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law
Sundays I elude the ‘Eyes’, and hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire, where my white-haired uncle waits
My uncle preserved for me an old machine –
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
That was my first guess too, Diesels are actually quite environmentally friendly and can run on a variety of fuels. The best combination would be a multi-fuel vehicle with the ability to have a plug in hybrid function. But you only see multi-fuel vehicles in the military and diesel/electric hybrids in vehicles other than trains is rare.
Look into what China has to do with all of this. The CCP practically owns all of the supply chain. So we're giving them a huge controlling interest in the future of public and private transport.
Electricity is instantly cutoff, fuel is a liquid that still flows. They are shoving us into EVs so they can make their electric corridor highways and force an outage with their new smartgrid.
Yes.as a bonus a bunch of politicians are invested in battery stocks and soon in solids disposals
Get a generator. Problem solved.
As I wrote, you will need a day of running generator and a lot of fuel (much more than you need to run same distance on ICU car) to charge your electric vehicle.
And what is the point in buying electric car and charging it with gasoline/diesel generator whole day instead of just buyng a gas/diesel car? Or a hybrid one, if you like electric engines driving your wheels so much?
With the Tesla roof/solar and power pack batteries (4680) you can charge your car forever. The 4860 battery is the million mile battery. Lithium Batteries are 99% recyclable.
Yes, especially if there is cloudy. Charging will last forever.
Lithium batteries life is not measured in miles. It measured in cycles. Usually they last no more than 1000 cycles, then began to degrade fast. Independent from miles. Also they easily die in cold weather.
But to recycle them you need a huge amount of energy. And it is highly problematic to do it at home.
"Yes, especially if there is cloudy. Charging will last forever."
There is a mathematical equation for people that live in certain areas and how many power packs and panels you need. These panels also provide electricity to the grid, thus the more homes with packs, the more stable the electric grid.
"Lithium batteries life is not measured in miles. It measured in cycles. Usually they last no more than 1000 cycles, then began to degrade fast. Independent from miles. Also they easily die in cold weather."
The 4860 battery will change all of this. Also it can calculated, for example the model3 tesla battery will last around 300K-500K miles
"But to recycle them you need a huge amount of energy. And it is highly problematic to do it at home."
Other than tesla there are many businesses tackling this matter. There will come a point in which there are so many evs out there that there will be no more mining (which requires a lot more energy). The more evs, the more material.
Oil is dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2P9FoeWmzw
Your FUD is old. It may work if tesla wasn't around.
So, how many power packs and panels I need to charge my Tesla at winter if I live near arctic circle? Do you know about polar night and something about insolation dependency from the latitude?
Really, I could not imagine that there could be so narrow minded people here.
Do you read it in some marketing papers? Or you have a EV in real use?
So, it is impossible to fix weared battery without a corporation.
AFAIK, i don't need any corporation to fix or replace fuel tank.
"So, how many power packs and panels I need to charge my Tesla at winter if I live near arctic circle?"
They can try wind, wave technology to produce electricity and feed it to the Powerpacks. Also, the number of people that live in those areas are so small that it is not a hard thing to deal with. Look at iceland. They use thermal energy and they have the most EVs sold vs ICE
"Do you read it in some marketing papers? Or you have a EV in real use?"
Here you go, you seem to need information on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK79ioBW8Mg
"So, it is impossible to fix weared battery without a corporation."
Imagine selling the battery back to tesla and buying a new one.
Are you really so uneducated? Winter. Near arctic circle. Waves on what? There are no waves on ice.
Winds are unstable, weeks without any wind is norm.
Arkhagelsk city region have 1 million population, f.e. "So small"?
Nice. A link to marketing video.
Oh my.... What word you don't understand in "ability to fix everything by your own hands without any corporations"?
So, what if I'm not vaccinated and Tesla was mandated by gevernment to reject all unvaccinated customers?
You are trying to save your false assumption, but it only make things worse.
Look at what tesla did in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8xMfecpS8
Not everybody lives in warm Australia.
I have nothing against Musk, he already did a very important thing - remove that dumb and false veil of heroism, complexity and state dependence from space travel. That's good and I appreciate it.
But to impress me with stupid electric toys, he should develop really working power source for his electric cars. Not that stupid and weak, climate and corporations dependent battery. Nuclear reactor, fuel cell, ZPM, whatever.
When he will be ready to make a presentation of something like, PM me, I'll be happy to take a look. But for now, spare me all that solar/lithium/whatever crap.
"Are you really so uneducated? Winter. Near arctic circle. Waves on what? There are no waves on ice."
You need to use the polar extreme example to keep your idiotic FUD going. Bottom line, the solar/EV/Grid will thrive on the most populated areas. "What about the poles" lol Oil is about to go kaput
https://mapstor.com/data/images/news/digital-catography-and-gps-navigation/2016-11-planet-population.jpg
"A link to marketing video" Not a marketing video, they are explaining what they are coming out with. They have to follow SEC laws and regulations. Regardless Tesla makes products that people want without advertising. My trading account is very happy. This new battery will be the deathblow to ICE and coal.
"ability to fix everything by your own hands without any corporations"?
99% of the people don't do this. So it's like your "WHATABOUTTHEPOALS" Also, EVS are very simple with very few moving parts. The motors of the Tesla Model3 3 for example are rated to a million miles. Who want the grotesque leaky diesel engines LOL.
Oil is so dead. Same with your bullshit.
What? Since when living on the North is "extreme example"? I live on the North, it's -20°C right now outside and sun is over horizon only for few hours a day. In clouds.
Seems you can't even understand the obvious things.
I don't care about 99% of people. That 99% of people jab themselves with some unknown shit, it does not mean that other will do the same.
Electric motors, like batteries never rated in miles. It is marketing idiocy, without any scientific sense.
Motors of ordinary electric locomotive lasts much longer, 3 million kilometers is a typical request in electric locomotive (as whole) tender. 1 million miles in a car is a very bad electric motor.
There are only 2 elements in asynchronous electric motor that wear. Front and rear bearings. That is all. No other parts of electric motor wear at all. When you replace bearings, your electric motor is undistinguisheable from new one. Why it should fail within whatever miles? There are no any limit on electric motor resource at all.
You're Russian right? LOL Tesla is going to build a gigafactory there too ahahahaha. You should apply
So what? A lot of corporations have factories here for a long time. In Russia workforce is cheap, and you could bribe authorities to avoid costs for different things like pollution filters, industrial safety, etc.
Yes I want to charge for hours and hours just to get across a few states.electric is a gimmick to make leftists money and limit your freedom of movement nothing more and nothing less
Teslas are the best, charge the fastest and I have a full charge every morning. I have taken long trips and the supercharging network is second to none. I can pretty much go anywhere. I have no clue what you are talking about.
Self driving cars, too.
Self driving is a nice option. And relatively old one. Don't you use a cruise control in your car? It is a simpliest implemetation of self-driving. Add a front radar to it and brake control loop - and you got adaptive cruise control, your car will keep a distance to a car in front. Add a camera and control loop to steering, and it will be able to follow another car without your interaction. And so on. Self-driving is just a sophisticated cruise control. A bunch of sensors, control loops and actuators. No magic, no evil, just a technology.
Evil appears when you allow some third-party to control your cruise control. Do not allow this. Throw out any third-party control from your property. Do you remember that car is your property and you could modify it as you wish without asking somebody's permission, license, whatever? You don't need to eat any shit they try to feed you with.
"Self-driving is just a sophisticated cruise control"
That's moronic. Self driving is an AI problem.
There are no any AI exist at all.
That auto-pilots have absolutely nothing to do with AI. AI is just a marketing bullshit to sell ordinary things as "innovation".
I feel bad for you bud. You should invest in Tesla. They'll do the real thinking for you. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/new-study-of-us-university-students-ranks-tesla-and-spacex-as-the-most-attractive-employer/
The first car made was electric.
How well do the oil companies pay you?
Yes. I wrote about it. Nothing changed since that times. That electric toys on batteries still toys. And anything that could replace that stupid batteries and make the toys real things is prohibited. From fuel cells to nuclear power sources.
As maybe you know, in Russia oil companies stole our oil which by constitution is a common property of all citizens. So, they didn't pay anything, they contine to stole my oil.
PS: just calculated - they stole ~$5 a day from me. Oil only, not including gas, iron, copper, precious and rare metals and other stuff.
Really it belongs to whom ever is above it.