There was for a time. The government made it so lucrative to sit at home and do nothing thanks to the pandemic payment protection there was no need to work. In fact some people were earning more sat at home than they did at work
I was in Hilton Head on holiday. The local Starbucks mgr there said they have to close at 3pm, because they had no-one to work, and she was already doing 70 hours/week.
Was the same for every resort. Lack of what things used to be...simply because they didn't have people to do the work. Getting $2400 (at the time) extra a month made not working an easy choice for most.
You may be including places like Bluffton, Okatie, Hardeeville in your search. I can't see 36 locations if I include Savannah.
There's only 6 locations on the actual island, and one of those is closed (was in a Whole Foods).
As a resort location in the South, getting coffee is a thing throughout the day. It was one example of employee shortages; every resort hotel had the same issue.
So, those "unfulfilling jobs that don't pay enough" were hard to find pre-covid. Most servers at the resorts were college students making some serious dough. Now that the places are open, everybody wants to go spend money and have a good time. That means even more tips.
My kid made close to $2k/week during summer there. But she busted her ass and worked several places. All you're doing is looking for excuses.
it would be insane to expect most people to not collect the check and be more wealthy than they have been in their entire lives
You know that you're taxed on this "wealthy income" right?
My kid took satisfaction in making over $15k (most of that cash tips) in 2 months. She was able to use that to cover her college expenses for the year. Being able to support herself was important and satisfying to her, but I suppose handling your own shit and not being dependent doesn't mean much you and people who think like you.
It's not a fucking career, it's a serving job. You have an objective and you work towards it. It's to give you a bunch of dough in a short period of time.
Unemployment should not pay better than working
Agreed. But the next line about minimum wage you're completely off. Ignoring the well worn points either said makes on this....again, she made nowhere close to minimum. Anyone else in her position and with the same drive would have done the same. And, as I said earlier, more...people were begging to spend money.
The lockdowns gave a lot of people time to reflect on their lives...Never in anyone's lifetime has this happened
Yes, and no. I work in tech. In 1999 we were a valued commodity. In 2000 many were laid off. I was out for 9 months. I reflected pretty hard during this time.
Most people can't just ride things out.
Also agreed. But...when the jobs opened up, you go get one. You would make more, since you're boiling your points down to only money (by the way, working is an achievement that many folks prioritize, so it's not just dough. Again, that may seem unbelievable to some).
Taxes have nothing to do with this.
Kinda not. Most people think this is all free money--in reality everyone is paying, or will pay for their subsidies. At the end of the year, you get a big tax bill you're not expecting, and then what? Generally taxes aren't taken out of the unemployment checks.
It was logical, and fiscally intelligent for most people to not work in the service industry and take the check during the lockdown. A ton of people used this money and extra time to pursue education and/or look for better jobs.
Perhaps. The jobs didn't exist, so I'm in alignment with the premise. I'd like to see any sort of data you have on the last claim. I simply don't believe you. Who's going to pay for college/trade schools at today's prices for what's essentially distance learning?
At max, unemployment was a grand a week. That's pretty close to what a year in college costs now--$30k on the low end, and only goes up. Community college is less, but it wouldn't give you skills or opportunities, so you have to go to state schools or private--which are waaaay more expensive. Would you really go in debt $150k+ if you were dependent on government handouts? Really? What sort of education/job would you try and target? Nursing (somewhat of a demand)? That's $200k, and more than 4 years, easy. Now we're coming off 18 months and the unemployment is going away, which means they're going to need money now. This simply wouldn't be viable to most people, and unless I see actual data, I remain skeptical.
I really am sorry that your resort experience wasn't as good as you hoped for..
At no point did I say it wasn't what I hoped for, but if I gave that impression (and probably did), it was incorrect. Resorts are the norm on Hilton Head, not individual hotels--which was my point. They're also a good means to make money for people that have a brain and an objective. I was grateful to be somewhere beautiful with my wife, almost everything we did didn't cost much money--biking, beach, etc. I didn't mind the lines or wait, because I knew the situation. It wasn't the same, and that's because of the higher stress level of the workers there. I tipped very generously. I made a point to talk, and try to connect with, those folks that were there. I found out their respective situations, and tried to empathize as much as I could. I wanted them to know we were grateful for their help. Overall, it was very pleasant for the reasons I listed, and others.
Your response is entirely based on your ignorance.
You've written a stream of open-ended rhetorical questions, each dishonestly presenting your ignorance "Are the companies ..... ?" as leading questions.
And then your sole piece of evidence is a personal anecdote. If your husband thinks like you do then many people would give him a hard pass at an interview. You know - maybe not in law, journalism, maybe not in teaching - but in tech/science/engineering domains, idiots are a REAL pain in the workplace. And I am including here PhD Russians who can't even think straight.
Also
Or is it possible that the market for that field/position is at capacity or already overwhelmed in that particular location?
No. Ha!. That is the exact opposite of what we're talking about and the exact opposite of what is being seen in the real world. Jesus.
Are you a truly crappy lawyer who thought you'd chime in on a subject you can't even think clearly about? If not, you're doing a pretty good imitation.
About the subject
As clearly stated, as I can see, as articles are describing, as other people are describing . . . there are very few - or no - applications for many tech roles. Ok, sure, probably not in all countries, probably some fields are exempt, but IRL this is happening. Hasn't made the MSM and I'm not supporting either side, I'm just commenting in passing.
Right now it's in the (remaining) people's favour, and yay! for us. Many tech/sci/engineering companies worldwide are finding it hard to recruit. Tough for them.
For decades the government has been shipping all unskilled labor jobs overseas, while they simultaneously import millions of unskilled immigrants into the country.
It’s the most mind-numbing, stupid policy, but if you point it out you’re a racist.
The left is equal parts truly evil people and useful idiots that enable them.
There's a tendency in jobs nowadays to insist on perfect candidates especially in skilled roles. But low skilled jobs just have a problem with treating workers right.
Antiworkers are generally those who hate wage injustice, some are more extreme as criticizing the exploitative nature of work & capitalism. So, some ideas overlap between two subs.
interesting thought. but i think there is a mass shortage because it was a combination of a lot of things. people saw all the "bullshit" jobs, along with people rebelling against vaccine mandates, along with lots of people still getting checks, along with a lot of people just leaving the workforce because they are stressed and most of the time it's not worth it to be treated like trash , be overworked and underpaid.
plus, a lot of em probably said "fuck it, i quit" because they see how shit the world is becoming and they want to live out the last few years of freedom we all have left.
an EPIC CRASH is looming. its gonna be fucking insane.
The level of mind control is staggering. You are correct that people are literally begging to be slaughtered.
There was for a time. The government made it so lucrative to sit at home and do nothing thanks to the pandemic payment protection there was no need to work. In fact some people were earning more sat at home than they did at work
I was in Hilton Head on holiday. The local Starbucks mgr there said they have to close at 3pm, because they had no-one to work, and she was already doing 70 hours/week.
Was the same for every resort. Lack of what things used to be...simply because they didn't have people to do the work. Getting $2400 (at the time) extra a month made not working an easy choice for most.
You may be including places like Bluffton, Okatie, Hardeeville in your search. I can't see 36 locations if I include Savannah.
There's only 6 locations on the actual island, and one of those is closed (was in a Whole Foods).
As a resort location in the South, getting coffee is a thing throughout the day. It was one example of employee shortages; every resort hotel had the same issue.
So, those "unfulfilling jobs that don't pay enough" were hard to find pre-covid. Most servers at the resorts were college students making some serious dough. Now that the places are open, everybody wants to go spend money and have a good time. That means even more tips.
My kid made close to $2k/week during summer there. But she busted her ass and worked several places. All you're doing is looking for excuses.
You know that you're taxed on this "wealthy income" right?
My kid took satisfaction in making over $15k (most of that cash tips) in 2 months. She was able to use that to cover her college expenses for the year. Being able to support herself was important and satisfying to her, but I suppose handling your own shit and not being dependent doesn't mean much you and people who think like you.
It's not a fucking career, it's a serving job. You have an objective and you work towards it. It's to give you a bunch of dough in a short period of time.
Agreed. But the next line about minimum wage you're completely off. Ignoring the well worn points either said makes on this....again, she made nowhere close to minimum. Anyone else in her position and with the same drive would have done the same. And, as I said earlier, more...people were begging to spend money.
Yes, and no. I work in tech. In 1999 we were a valued commodity. In 2000 many were laid off. I was out for 9 months. I reflected pretty hard during this time.
Also agreed. But...when the jobs opened up, you go get one. You would make more, since you're boiling your points down to only money (by the way, working is an achievement that many folks prioritize, so it's not just dough. Again, that may seem unbelievable to some).
Kinda not. Most people think this is all free money--in reality everyone is paying, or will pay for their subsidies. At the end of the year, you get a big tax bill you're not expecting, and then what? Generally taxes aren't taken out of the unemployment checks.
Perhaps. The jobs didn't exist, so I'm in alignment with the premise. I'd like to see any sort of data you have on the last claim. I simply don't believe you. Who's going to pay for college/trade schools at today's prices for what's essentially distance learning?
At max, unemployment was a grand a week. That's pretty close to what a year in college costs now--$30k on the low end, and only goes up. Community college is less, but it wouldn't give you skills or opportunities, so you have to go to state schools or private--which are waaaay more expensive. Would you really go in debt $150k+ if you were dependent on government handouts? Really? What sort of education/job would you try and target? Nursing (somewhat of a demand)? That's $200k, and more than 4 years, easy. Now we're coming off 18 months and the unemployment is going away, which means they're going to need money now. This simply wouldn't be viable to most people, and unless I see actual data, I remain skeptical.
At no point did I say it wasn't what I hoped for, but if I gave that impression (and probably did), it was incorrect. Resorts are the norm on Hilton Head, not individual hotels--which was my point. They're also a good means to make money for people that have a brain and an objective. I was grateful to be somewhere beautiful with my wife, almost everything we did didn't cost much money--biking, beach, etc. I didn't mind the lines or wait, because I knew the situation. It wasn't the same, and that's because of the higher stress level of the workers there. I tipped very generously. I made a point to talk, and try to connect with, those folks that were there. I found out their respective situations, and tried to empathize as much as I could. I wanted them to know we were grateful for their help. Overall, it was very pleasant for the reasons I listed, and others.
Unemployment pay isn't free money.
Well, there is a shortage. Maybe not of toilet cleaners, but of skilled people, those roles are hard to find applicants for.
And hard to fill with mass immigration. They'd need to actively headhunt outside the country to replace skilled work.
About your response*
Your response is entirely based on your ignorance.
You've written a stream of open-ended rhetorical questions, each dishonestly presenting your ignorance "Are the companies ..... ?" as leading questions.
And then your sole piece of evidence is a personal anecdote. If your husband thinks like you do then many people would give him a hard pass at an interview. You know - maybe not in law, journalism, maybe not in teaching - but in tech/science/engineering domains, idiots are a REAL pain in the workplace. And I am including here PhD Russians who can't even think straight.
Also
No. Ha!. That is the exact opposite of what we're talking about and the exact opposite of what is being seen in the real world. Jesus.
Are you a truly crappy lawyer who thought you'd chime in on a subject you can't even think clearly about? If not, you're doing a pretty good imitation.
About the subject
As clearly stated, as I can see, as articles are describing, as other people are describing . . . there are very few - or no - applications for many tech roles. Ok, sure, probably not in all countries, probably some fields are exempt, but IRL this is happening. Hasn't made the MSM and I'm not supporting either side, I'm just commenting in passing.
Right now it's in the (remaining) people's favour, and yay! for us. Many tech/sci/engineering companies worldwide are finding it hard to recruit. Tough for them.
For decades the government has been shipping all unskilled labor jobs overseas, while they simultaneously import millions of unskilled immigrants into the country.
It’s the most mind-numbing, stupid policy, but if you point it out you’re a racist.
The left is equal parts truly evil people and useful idiots that enable them.
Chinese "Lying flat" movement enters America. Read r/antiwork sub.
Frugal, childfree culture rises.
Antiworkers are generally those who hate wage injustice, some are more extreme as criticizing the exploitative nature of work & capitalism. So, some ideas overlap between two subs.
NO system would benefit the lower class. Each system has its main weaknesses.
Pick your poison carefully.
interesting thought. but i think there is a mass shortage because it was a combination of a lot of things. people saw all the "bullshit" jobs, along with people rebelling against vaccine mandates, along with lots of people still getting checks, along with a lot of people just leaving the workforce because they are stressed and most of the time it's not worth it to be treated like trash , be overworked and underpaid.
plus, a lot of em probably said "fuck it, i quit" because they see how shit the world is becoming and they want to live out the last few years of freedom we all have left.
an EPIC CRASH is looming. its gonna be fucking insane.