Hmm well I don’t think he should be banned permanently, he has “contributed” to the discussion in the sense that he has inspired plenty of eloquent rebuttals to his MSM garbage.
But I agree with the point of spam. What about some middle ground where posts at -5 or worse are hidden from the new queue? conversations can still occur in them, and the queue isn’t spammed with garbage. If it gets abused by someone with bots they can be easily identified and removed (there may need to be a backend change that allows mods to see who voted on what, but I think that right should be given to the subwin creator, it’s logical and prevents all kind of vote fuckery)
u/axolotl_peyotlu/putinlovescats what do you guys think about that? And how feasible would it be? Users votes are definitely stored because I can see my list of upvoted posts, seems like it could be a relatively simple tweak by the admins? The hiding of posts from /new would probably take an auto mod type thing, dunno if anyone’s set one up for this place but surely it’s being worked on if not.
Does he seem like a paid shill or a 20 year old “activist” stuck living with his anti trump parents in New York State because the ‘rona shut down his college? I don’t think we have too many honest to god paid shills, and the ones I do think we have are way too fucking subtle for an outright ban. I think what i described applies to most of the shit disturbers here so far. u/syrian and his alt u/zyklonben along with u/serenade and his 5+ alts are border line, but even they are too stupid to be paid, far more likely to be useful idiot Hasbara college recruits “fighting the holy fight”
My argument boils down to free speech basically, which is why this site was formed. Otherwise you end up with shit shows like GA and TD and Reddit where you don’t really learn anything from the interactions taking place because their so strongly forced into a mold (imo).
You’re just redefining shill as “spammer” but that term is likewise nebulous and undefinable. Am I a spammer because I’ve made the same post more than once? Is u/syrian not a spammer because he’s never posted the same thing twice? We need a community solution, we need to make this garden inhospitable to the seeds of shilling, NOT depend on an omniscient gardener
The problem with you two morons is that you don't understand that "shill" is subjective. Your reflexive panic anytime someone disagrees with your worldview is to call them a shill, accuse them of being Chinese or Israeli, ask them how much they're getting paid, et cetera.
So what exactly makes a shill? I could call someone like you or axolotl the ultimate shills, two people who enthusiastically post blatant disinformation and lack the intellectual honesty to ever admit when they're wrong. Neither of you care about the truth, you only care about propping up your blatant agendas by any means necessary. But on this forum, naturally, neither of you would be considered shills. You'd be given the benefit of the doubt because you're batting for the home team.
I've never told a lie on this forum or tried to push anything that couldn't be backed up with facts. You just don't like what I have to say. My suggestion would be to worry less about "shills" and worry more about the quality of your own posts.
Link me to one bit of misinfo I’ve ever posted. And lucky for you I don’t use 10 different accounts or delete my posts so all the facts are there.
And also, if your ossified brain could even begin to wrap around what I wrote, you would see I called you likely NOT a shill, merely a keyboard warrior using underhanded tactics like sock puppet software to try and fight for the corrupted realities you believe in
Hmm well I don’t think he should be banned permanently, he has “contributed” to the discussion in the sense that he has inspired plenty of eloquent rebuttals to his MSM garbage.
But I agree with the point of spam. What about some middle ground where posts at -5 or worse are hidden from the new queue? conversations can still occur in them, and the queue isn’t spammed with garbage. If it gets abused by someone with bots they can be easily identified and removed (there may need to be a backend change that allows mods to see who voted on what, but I think that right should be given to the subwin creator, it’s logical and prevents all kind of vote fuckery)
u/axolotl_peyotl u/putinlovescats what do you guys think about that? And how feasible would it be? Users votes are definitely stored because I can see my list of upvoted posts, seems like it could be a relatively simple tweak by the admins? The hiding of posts from /new would probably take an auto mod type thing, dunno if anyone’s set one up for this place but surely it’s being worked on if not.
Check out the interaction between me and him at the bottom of this thread:
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/12hRGzmmer/dozens-of-former-republican-offi/c/
Does he seem like a paid shill or a 20 year old “activist” stuck living with his anti trump parents in New York State because the ‘rona shut down his college? I don’t think we have too many honest to god paid shills, and the ones I do think we have are way too fucking subtle for an outright ban. I think what i described applies to most of the shit disturbers here so far. u/syrian and his alt u/zyklonben along with u/serenade and his 5+ alts are border line, but even they are too stupid to be paid, far more likely to be useful idiot Hasbara college recruits “fighting the holy fight”
My argument boils down to free speech basically, which is why this site was formed. Otherwise you end up with shit shows like GA and TD and Reddit where you don’t really learn anything from the interactions taking place because their so strongly forced into a mold (imo).
You’re just redefining shill as “spammer” but that term is likewise nebulous and undefinable. Am I a spammer because I’ve made the same post more than once? Is u/syrian not a spammer because he’s never posted the same thing twice? We need a community solution, we need to make this garden inhospitable to the seeds of shilling, NOT depend on an omniscient gardener
The problem with you two morons is that you don't understand that "shill" is subjective. Your reflexive panic anytime someone disagrees with your worldview is to call them a shill, accuse them of being Chinese or Israeli, ask them how much they're getting paid, et cetera.
So what exactly makes a shill? I could call someone like you or axolotl the ultimate shills, two people who enthusiastically post blatant disinformation and lack the intellectual honesty to ever admit when they're wrong. Neither of you care about the truth, you only care about propping up your blatant agendas by any means necessary. But on this forum, naturally, neither of you would be considered shills. You'd be given the benefit of the doubt because you're batting for the home team.
I've never told a lie on this forum or tried to push anything that couldn't be backed up with facts. You just don't like what I have to say. My suggestion would be to worry less about "shills" and worry more about the quality of your own posts.
Link me to one bit of misinfo I’ve ever posted. And lucky for you I don’t use 10 different accounts or delete my posts so all the facts are there.
And also, if your ossified brain could even begin to wrap around what I wrote, you would see I called you likely NOT a shill, merely a keyboard warrior using underhanded tactics like sock puppet software to try and fight for the corrupted realities you believe in
I'm not sure I've ever used the word magatard. Cultist, definitely.