It's as based as based gets. You might want to watch the Jason Lisle videos first. They explain the presuppositional apologetic method very clearly. Then watch the Sye Ten Bruggencate video. It demonstrates it in action as he destroys atheists like you have never seen in your life. It truly is nuclear. I have seen these a dozen times and now I am going to go watch them again.
After checking that little site out, if you want to really understand, watch this movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKjUzotw_Y
I started my in depth journey into learning about Jesus and the Bible when I became intensely interested in Creation science. I learned to become a very good apologist. I have studied all of the sciences involved and the Scripture. One thing became obvious though. No matter how much evidence I threw at some people, it was never enough for them. They would dismiss it or come up with some kind of rescuing device. Sort of like how comets prove a young solar system, because they can't last millions of years, so they just pulled the Oort cloud out of their cornhole. No evidence of an Oort cloud exists, but without it, they're doomed.
Then I discovered the most powerful apologetic there is. 100% bulletproof. Unbeatable. Nuclear. I discovered it through Jason Lisle, Christian creationist astronomer.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOY4LNRMd8
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k8wYUvmHPs
This is all next level stuff. Final boss. You deserve to know this stuff.
Try clicking on some wrong answers. These are the answers that atheists and people of other religions all believe are the right answers.
Dude, if you don't want my answers, stop asking me questions. You just want to argue and don't want to learn. I just gave you a valuable site that demonstrates what I am getting at. The Christian worldview allows us to JUSTIFY knowledge, logic, reason, truth, and objective morality. None of those can be justified within any other worldview.
You can only do CPR on someone who isn't dead yet. And I don't care what he thinks he knows. I asked him for something he KNOWS. And How he knows it.
Go try this little quiz. You'll understand what I am asking for.
Ran out of posts, so replying to another. You said:
"Abrasion isn't a good way, though. I have, to my knowledge, not said anything that would warrant him directing that claim to me.
As I have shown, it is possible to dismantle his idea concepts without getting him to "do x things".
Salt and Light > saltiness and heat."
I am not sure what was claimed and directed at you.
Let's say I was hate-filled. What's wrong with that in your worldview. You can't justify objective morality. What makes hate wrong? On what basis?
So what if I am hate-filled?
I have given you the gospel of the God of Creation and you reject it. Because of this:
Romans 1:18-32 (ESV) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Yes, and I think what you are saying is that the 11 toledots in Genesis point to 11 different authors. I contend that God wrote Genesis 1 - 2:3, Adam wrote starting from 2:4, and so on. I think Noah had the Genesis 1-5, maybe part of 6 on the Ark and wrote some more of it on the Ark and afterwards.
Because I can justify knowledge in my worldview. My worldview, in which the God and Creator of everything, who knows everything created me in His image, such that I can know some things for certain.
That is my absolute certain knowledge justified. I can know that I know because God created me in His image. That is literally my worldview. Not some make-believe nonsense like you might come up with about Leprechauns and gnosis potions.
Of course my worldview justifies knowledge for you too. But since you don't believe that, you need to figure out how YOUR worldview can do it.
Hint: It can't. And that alone should tell you you are wrong about life itself.
Brain damage really did you in.
There is no debate until you an justify knowledge from your worldview.
In fact, I will need you to justify 5 things from within the confines of your worldview.
Knowledge, Truth, Logic, Reason, and Objective Morality.
You have nothing to debate with if you can't do this. Sorry. For instance, you can't be mad about anything anyone on earth does if you can't point to an objective basis for calling it wrong.
Right and wrong can't exist in your worldview. Just opinion and feelings.
You don't even understand your assignment, moron. I don't care what you CLAIM. I want you to JUSTIFY KNOWLEDGE. But you already said that you can't without knowing it. You have already denied objective truth; therefore, admitting that you could be wrong about anything you claim to know.
There is no such thing as a near death experience. What you had is called brain damage.
You have not been in communication with your soul. Communication with a demon perhaps, but not your soul.
You don't know anything through gnosis. That is a severely brain damaged thing to claim. And retarded.
You are incapable of giving me a single thing on earth that you know for certain and then telling me HOW you know. How you know that you know it. For certain. Not one thing.
There are no such things as near death experiences. You die only once.
You're a loon.
I gave you a crushing blow OBJECTIVELY. I gave you all the proof of God. You just won't look at it.
Answers to your retarded questions aren't proof that God exists.
Yes. There are 4 that I am very familiar with. The longer ending of Mark. The Pericope Adulterae. The prayer about forgiving them for they do not know. That is anti-gospel. Jesus never forgave unrepentant sin. And 1 John 5:5-8. More than controversial. They don't exist before around 400 AD. Do with that as you will. It's simply true.
But they are well known. There are no books deleted. No books added. We very much know the few minor discrepancies. Oh, I have another for you. Erasmus accidentally included a commentary from Andreas of Caesaria in Revelation 22:19 in the Textus Receptus, which was copied into the King James. The tree of life phrase there does not exist in any manuscript on earth. It's completely a mistake that the King James has and other versions do not, because we know more through textural criticism. And we have the documentation for when the error occurred. This is what is so great about textural criticism. We want to know what John said, not what some fallible scribe down the line accidentally added.
Yes, these are controversial verses because we can trace the manuscript evidence and know that they were not original to the text. The key is we KNOW that, because of textual criticism and we have so many more ancient manuscripts now, so we can see when something was added and know that it is not Scriptural. And there are only about 4 of them. Another is the Pericope Adulterae, when the woman was going to be stoned.
But you can't point at known insertions into the text, that are all footnoted in modern Bibles, and say, "Entire books were omitted." That's just a retarded leap.
https://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
You can't prove you know anything.
The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn't know anything.
I dare you to name one thing that you know for certain and then tell me how you know it.
You can't. And even if you try, your answer won't be an answer. I promise you.
I don't care if you believe. That's not even up to you, it's up to the Holy Spirit. It's out of my hands. And I just don't care.
What evidence could I give someone who already has the evidence you need? I could give you C-14 in dinosaur bones, polonium halos, dinosaur red blood cells, Webb telescope discoveries. None of that matters to you, even though it debunks your big bangy evolutionism bedtime story. Dude, you believe life magically poofed itself from a rock.
https://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
You can't prove you know anything.
The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn't know anything.
I dare you to name one thing that you know for certain and then tell me how you know it.
You can't. And even if you try, your answer won't be an answer. I promise you.
https://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
You can't prove you know anything.
The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn't know anything.
I dare you to name one thing that you know for certain and then tell me how you know it.
You can't. And even if you try, your answer won't be an answer. I promise you.
https://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
You can't prove you know anything.
The proof that God exists is that without Him, you couldn't know anything.
I dare you to name one thing that you know for certain and then tell me how you know it.
You can't. And even if you try, your answer won't be an answer. I promise you.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge; Ignorant fools despise wisdom and discipline.
(LSB Strong's) 15 The way of an ignorant fool is right in his own eyes.
Luke 24:25 (LSB Strong's) 25 And He said to them, “O foolish ones and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
I'm not the one calling you a fool.
I was a fool for years. The first step to salvation is realizing how big a fool you are. You don't deserve salvation. Neither do I. The gospel comes with some really bad news. That is that you are an evil, filthy, reprobate who deserves damnation in hell.
But there is good news for fools and all kinds of sinners.
Jesus Christ is God who became a man to live out the perfect life that no other human could do, following God’s law perfectly. Then He died in sacrifice to pay for the sins of His flock, those sheep who the Father draws to Him. And He will not lose one. He rose again on the 3rd day, defeating death for Himself and those who follow Him, so that we may live with Him in paradise for ever after. Those who believe in this and that Jesus's sacrifice will save them will be saved through no work of their own, so that they have nothing to boast about. All of the work of salvation was done by Jesus on the cross and is finished.
I can't convert anyone. That is up to the Holy Spirit. But I can bring you the gospel just as Paul did.
Do you think Paul wrote to the Galatians and said how proud he was of them and how tolerant he was? No. He called them fools. Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
It's not up to me how you take the message. There are plenty of people who find what I have to say enlightening and appreciate that even wretches like them can be saved. Why don't you go read the words in the song "Amazing Grace." The whole point is knowing that you are a wretch, and that God's grace is our only hope.
You can take it. Or not. Be wise in your own eyes.
Romans 1:22 (LSB Strong's) 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools.
You you told me how you think you can know things. I don't have to know your worldview. I know what your worldview is not. And because of that I asked you another question and you haven't answered it.
You said, "The way you can know something for certain is through gnosis, applying thought to application and experiencing the truth. "
Now... HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
I disagree and call it garbage nonsense. And I know that. And I can justify my knowledge from the confines of my worldview.
Colossians 2:2-3 (LSB Strong's) 2 so that their hearts may be encouraged, having been held together in love, even unto all the wealth of the full assurance of understanding, unto the full knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
My God knows everything. He created me in His image, such that I am able to trust that I can know at least some things for certain. I can trust my senses because God gave them to me and His Bible, which is His true word from Genesis to Revelation.
You are appealing to philosophical nonsense and failing to justify knowledge. You don't even understand what justifying knowledge means. I am not asking you for a proof. I am asking you for a justification.
Here is an example.
I ask you how you know the sky is blue?
You tell me that you look at the sky and see it's blue.
Then I ask you how you can trust your senses? How do you even know that you can be certain what blue is?
Whatever answer you give, I will just ask you how you know that. You are stuck in an infinite regression.
And remember, you said, ""The way you can know something for certain is through gnosis, applying thought to application and experiencing the truth. ""
But you already debunked this by saying that your experience can't be trusted to determine absolute truth: "Yes and no, absolutely true to me from my experiences and apparently not according to yours. Reality isn't as nice and neatly packaged as linear thinkers want it to be."
Unless you can justify knowledge from your worldview, which I know is impossible, and so does ever philosopher ever to have lived, then this conversation is over.
You need to repent and turn to Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is God who became a man to live out the perfect life that no other human could do, following God’s law perfectly. Then He died in sacrifice to pay for the sins of His flock, those sheep who the Father draws to Him. And He will not lose one. He rose again on the 3rd day, defeating death for Himself and those who follow Him, so that we may live with Him in paradise for ever after. Those who believe in this and that Jesus's sacrifice will save them will be saved through no work of their own, so that they have nothing to boast about. All of the work of salvation was done by Jesus on the cross and is finished.
Yeah. I don't know how anyone ever determined that Moses wrote Genesis. Moses never claimed he did, and yet he claimed to have written the other 4 books of the Torah. And all 11 sections of Genesis separated by toledots all are written in different manners, just as if different people wrote them.