You are intentionally spreading falsehoods aka lying.
Can you demonstrate that? What falsehoods (specifically!) do you believe I am intentionally spreading, and why do you presume (incorrectly) that i have such an intention to lie?
You need to stop doing that.
I agree that lying is bad. I may be crazy, retarded, and/or wrong - but i am sincere. Can you say the same without lying yourself?
Stop telling me your lies.
I’m not! I may be wrong, retarded, and/or crazy - but i am not lying.
I am not interested in your deception
And i am not interested in deceiving!
I only care about the truth.
I too seek truth... Perhaps we could search for it together?
How can we best determine who (if either/any of us) has this truth, and how can we best share it with others? These are central questions in flat earth research. I’d be interested to know what your answers to those questions are, and am most happy to discuss mine in kind!
Once again, how am I lying? What did I say which is a lie?
Do you really not understand what I’m saying?
Things fall. We call that phenomenon the law of gravity, and gravity the concept has been around for more than 2000 years.
Gravity is obviously real, because things fall. Gravitation is not real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Gravity has existed for about 2 millennia. It is the phenomenon of falling. In science, it is a natural law and is merely an observation. Scientific laws (like the law of gravity) do not speculate on the cause of phenomena - that’s what theories (and experiments which bear them) are for!
When you say “gravity doesn’t exist”, you really mean to say that gravitation (the supposed attractive force - or “warping of spacetime” in the modern view - that is believed to cause the law of gravity [aka the phenomenon of falling]) doesn’t exist.
I recognize that the “normies” also use the word gravity to refer to the attractive force, but they are equally wrong to do so. Gravity is a law, a mere phenomenon.
Shit falls down if you don't hold it up and it's heavier than the air and can't glide on it.
Heavier than the media (frequently air) it displaces, yes - I agree with the above statement! Here you are, agreeing with a retard.
You are dumber than a child.
🎶You’ve been educated stupid, and are too dumb to notice, or maybe just too evil to care🎶
Greatawakening is thataway pardner...
You're a liar. I am the one telling you to stop lying.
Again, this is meaningless ad hominem unless you cite/quote, specifically, what it is you believe I am lying about. I literally can’t respond to it without that detail, and you are effectively sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “la la la, i can’t hear you” instead of having a conversation :(
I expect that you mean that i am “lying” about gravity (aka falling) being real, but i’ve already pretty thoroughly explained my position on it. The scientific/natural law.of gravity is thousands of years old, and demonstrably real. Things fall. Where is the lie?
Stop spreading misinformation
This is one of the many reasons criticizing the statements made (explicitly; citing/quoting them is best) is the way to go! I can’t stop spreading misinformation if I don’t know what it is... If I am spreading misinformation, I should like to stop; can you help by having an earnest conversation and expressing yourself with more than mere vapid insult?
you mongoloid
Lol. Perhaps. Mongoloid implies barbarism - conquering, raping, and pillaging. I am more into conversation myself... You’re the one spitting insult when we could/should be discussing earnestly for our mutual benefit!
Fair enough. Carry on, I suppose.
However, you should know that the intellectually capable attack the thought and never the thinker. The weak minded attack the thinker out of desperation due to their inability to attack the thought instead. If you can, I urge you to do better!
From baseless accusations to juvenile insult :(
What would your mother think?
do not kill the messenger.
I wouldn’t dream of it.
But the messenger should try harder, if they can.
So, just a baseless accusation then... I guess that’s why you responded with such childishness instead of providing even one example which led to your erroneous conclusion.
Take care kid.
What have I said that would make you think (incorrectly) that I’m a fed?
I may be stupid, and I may be wrong, but what I do - I do for love, brother or sister. The feds can’t afford me; there is literally not enough money in the world.
Gravity doesn't exist
This is a common misconception, in my view. I think we likely agree on the meaning, and disagree on the verbiage.
Gravity, the scientific/natural law, has existed (been defined/known) for millennia. It is merely the phenomenon of falling. In its simplest form it is the statement “what goes up, must come down”. Natural laws in science are just phenomena; they do not speculate on cause and are merely “the what” established by measurement.
The people who say “gravity” causes things to fall, are imprecise with their words and incorrect. It is gravitation that is supposed to cause things to fall (though , relativistically speaking, not directly - gravitation is taught as a pseudoforce today)
I think we agree (and/or should) that the scientific law of gravity (aka falling) is demonstrably real, but that it is gravitation which doesn’t exist. Right?
retard.
If you can resist, it is best to avoid ad hominem. It is the last resort of the intellectually weak, and is across purposes to learning/teaching and communication of any kind.
Good question!
The main reason is because I recommend it a LOT.
I don’t want to spam the link across the communities, and i don’t think it would be respectful to do so :(
Some mods don’t take too kindly to such things, and I can empathize.
If only our profiles had “signatures” and such things (like standard footers on our comment posts, or better yet a custom page where we can include such links when users click our username to find out more about us)
They may have been "taught" that, but they were wrong.
I largely agree. But the history available largely demonstrates that this was the case. The myth that previous cultures thought the world was flat and were “proved wrong” by people like columbus was made up in the 19th century by the author of sleepy hollow. It is a uniquely american myth that many students today are also “taught”.
so it proves nothing.
The kicker is, it was never intended to!
People like eratosthenes and columbus had been taught from childhood that the world was spherical. They never once doubted it, and never sought to prove it right or wrong. Eratosthenes apocryphal procedure absolutely depends on the world being spherical (and many other unvalidated - and some plainly incorrect - assumptions to boot, like that all sunlight “rays” are parallel). His calculation is meaningless and nonsensical unless many unvalidated assumptions (taught to him from childhood as facts) are correct - including the one the calculation is erroneously purported to prove (that the world is spherical)! He never set out to prove anything, merely to estimate the circumference of the world by calculation already assuming it was (and dependent on it being) spherical.
It’s called flatearthresearch.
Unfortunately, if you are on a mobile browser (and in portrait) the right hand sidebar which has the link to the community doesn’t display when you click my username.
That’s why I usually say “let me know and I’ll pm it to you” for those who can’t find the link.
I’ll pm you the link as well.
"valuable subject"
Extremely so! Flat earth research isn’t really about geodesy, it’s about what you know (as opposed to what you merely believe and parrot), how you know it with certainty, and how best to convey that knowledge and certainty to others. It is a profoundly valuable subject to study.
Your incredulity and mockery is expected as a result of the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop - but the community I created for flat earth researchers (we study the psyop and many other related topics) is very different than you have been led to believe.
Judgement without evaluation is the height of ignorance. Why not come have a brief discussion? It won’t take long to realize you’ve been duped, and are mistaken!
A community of brain-dead twits
Sadly the flat earth psyop loudly advertises offensively stupid views to ensure you (and others) falsely believe this. This is done to prevent you from ever earnestly discussing or researching the valuable subject. You aren’t the only one to fall for it :(
The “brain-dead twits” are the ones who don’t question, and merely belligerently parrot their dogma. Flat earth researchers are curious, and earnest students. It isn’t a subject for, or enjoyable to, the brain-dead or the zealously/blindly certain.
Why not suspend your undue prejudice for a second and come discuss with us? I assure you that as long as you are earnest, it will be a rewarding experience.
I am not going to waste time being gaslit on this.
Fair enough. I recognize that many have already been gaslit by the psyop, and don’t have the tolerance or interest to potentially be burned again. Ars longa, vita brevis. We have to choose our battles/interests carefully as a result.
However, i can assure you that i would never engage in something like that willingly. What i do, i do for love and i may well be wrong - but i am earnest. I share my perspective and findings in the hopes that they will be further refined, including refuted, not to convince/manipulate or gaslight.
Already looked into FE arguments in depth a while ago and I know what to expect.
I expect you had a run in with the psyop, and not an earnest researcher like myself. My sincere condolences. I can assure you that as long as you discuss in earnest with me, as I expect you did with the psyop at one point, it will be a rewarding experience even if neither of our positions are ultimately altered. I speak from experience.
No open mind here buddy.
I understand, however if you ever change your mind or think of a good question - I hope you reconsider. You know where to find me if that is ever the case!
i think it dumb to believe this nonsense
I agree wholeheartedly. Belief is the enemy of knowledge, and is across purposes to objective study of any kind (it’s known as bias).
while refusing to repeat the experiments that proved it the first time
This is a common misunderstanding. We have much to discuss if you are interested! Experiments don’t prove the shapes of physical objects. They have an entirely different purpose in science (namely testing hypotheses). The shape of something is not a hypothesis (nor can it be), and there is only one way we determine the shapes of physical objects - rigorous and repeated measurement (NOT experiment)!
ffs the verification that you are wrong is a sunday afternoon away and yet you are still this fucking stupid...
Many would say the exact same of your position, but I can assure you (after years of diligent study and scrutiny) that the subject and ostensible central question (“what is the true shape of the world, and how can we validate it with certainty as independent researchers”) are far more complicated than they appear. Many flat earth researchers begin with your perspective and set out to do that “one sunday’s worth of verification” and are still at it today. It’s not because they are stupid; it’s because they realize what is wrong with the existing/known/taught “verifications”. As I said, we have much to discuss if you are interested in learning more about what flat earth research really is, as opposed to what the offensively stupid psyop has convinced you of.
Ignorant [evil] malthusian eugenics fetishes aside, the “people this stupid” are the ones who do NOT question and are belligerent instead of curious.
Stop by and have a brief discussion; maybe ask a question or two? You are grossly mistaken about what flat earth research is, and the intellectual capacity of those who engage in it!
What do you have to lose but your anger, prejudice, and a small bit of time? Hell, you might even learn something interesting!
Your hatred is irrational and misplaced.
The flat earth believers you so loathe are products of a psyop. They need help, not murder.
The community i created here is for flat earth researchers, and they are not at all what you think they are. Judgement without evaluation is the height of ignorance.
Why not put your prejudice aside for a second and engage in a conversation? You will quickly realize that you’ve been duped.
proofs dont exist outside of mathematics...oh jez.
Not objectively. Proof is very personal/subjective! That’s all I meant.
proof can be defined lots of ways, but in the end, it means undeniable fact
Right, that is kind of my point. There is no such thing as an undeniable fact, or a fact that does not deserve/warrant doubt/scrutiny/skepticism. Facts are merely claims declared as true by our authorities. They are arbitrary, and generally speaking - incorrect. It is merely a question of how long we must wait until we recognize why. It’s called “the half life of facts” and is a very important concept to become familiar and comfortable with. Doubt is the mother/driver of knowledge and science.
Beyond that, people are a subjective/mythological/religious/superstitious lot. It is painfully trivial to deny any fact - true or not - at a whim. This is one of the reasons that we must be ever vigilant to identify and excise belief (aka bias) within us, including the belief that what we think we know is inerrant/infallible. We must do this to have even the slim chance of objective study of reality and to know.
because you are still thinking that globe earth could be possible, and its not as i have shown in our discussion
Not me personally, no - but many/most are! Helping them to recognize why the globe model we are taught to accept is incorrect and how we can demonstrate that is very important and involves a LOT of discussion (typically). Still, we cannot force them - they must want to learn and choose to do so for themselves. No discussion can provide proof to another (even when/just because it serves as proof for you)
You think all flat earth content is psyop because earth is not flat,
I don’t feel that way at all! What have I said that made you think that?
and that makes you blind to the real flat earth content and getting it confused with the funded flat earth psyop designed to throw people off.
There is precious little “real flat earth content” but it does exist out there - and is typically individuals conducting their own independent research (no mass exposure via youtube or otherwise) for their own knowledge/edification. The rule of thumb is - if they are popular / well known / profitable, they are agents and/or useful idiots of the psyop. The psyop doesn’t just throw people off, it drives them away from earnest research and discussion thereof as well as encourages them to swallow and repeat stupid and clearly untrue things to further discredit the valuable endeavor/subject.
because its too time consuming
It is very time consuming, but it is of benefit for them as well as us! It helps to refine our own ideas/knowledge and to make it more succinct. It is an invaluable exercise for all involved. But it does take significant time. Time well spent in my view!
You mean like the Gleason Map?
Not really. I mean like the measurement used to comprise such maps. The gleason map is more like a projection, like the mercator.
no, i can prove the earth does not curve and does not move
I would use the word demonstrate or measure. Proof is too subjective, and varies too much from individual to individual. What serves as proof to one, may not even qualify as evidence to another. As I said (and meant!) proof doesn’t really/objectively exist outside of mathematics.
And how we prove/demonstrate/measure these things is important! The original globe posit was “proved”/demonstrated, apocryphally, by merely looking at the moon and spinning yarns (“arguments”) about it. Of course we know better than to fall for such things, but doing the reverse (for instance, declaring the world flat because the antarctic sun isn’t real) is absolutely equivalent.
and record measurements taken with simple devices like a sexton, or just taking perfect notes about the locations of celestials.
Sure, but you won’t be measuring the earth... You’ll be measuring the sky! The shape of the world is not hidden in the sky, and that is a silly/stupid/unscientific place to look for it! The ground, which we wish to study, is in the literal opposite direction!
we can use observations, and even other peoples youtube videos to help us prove something.
As I keep saying, we can use any evidence we wish to attempt to prove anything. But proving is not really something we can do for another (outside of mathematics), because it is too subjective. You can prove things to yourself, and you can provide demonstration, evidence, and reasoning to others in the hopes that they will suffice as proof to them. You can lead a horse to water...
it doesnt have to be peer reviewed, blessed by Elon, or whatever.
Agreed! But it ought to be thoroughly validated/verified by us before we accept it. In many ways, this is your whole point about the antarctic sun. Right?
its not uncertain or a theory: the earth is flat!
The exact shape of the entire world is uncertain (because we don’t have verified and verifiable data/measurements of the entire world to conclude from). We need to be careful with our verbiage and claims. We can say and demonstrate with certainty that locally, the world is mostly flat (and that based on scientific law, it cannot be spherical in the manner we are taught). The best way to demonstrate this, in my view, is through hydrostatics.
the models we have help people that don't understand visual[ize]
Exactly! They are really graphical conceptual aids, not models and certainly not scientific models.
and how the sun and moon works
Again, I think we need to be very careful with our words in order to effectively communicate. The “models” don’t include how the sun or the moon works, they purport to describe the paths they take in the sky (not why, how, or what they are). Even that is extremely speculative. If it is true that half of the known world is illuminated at any given time, then the light from the sun is uniquely focused in ways that normal point sources do not exhibit and we can only speculate as to the reasons for.
i know that,,,,everyone knows that so well that you dont even need to say it.
I wish that were so. The vast majority have no idea what a scientific model is or what it is for, sadly including many practicing scientists :(
i know enough scientists in my life to know they aren't any more special than anyone else, with some exceptions.
Pride is a fools fortress and shame’s cloak. No scientist is worthy of worship, some are worthy of admiration.
Can you provide an example? What makes you think they are lies? Can’t a guy just be crazy/wrong/retarded anymore? Why do they automatically have to be liars? Because of your flawless psychic intuition?
I am not playing any games, and am asking a legitimate and earnest question. You claimed I was a liar for saying that gravity was real (the law) but gravitation (the theory) was not - however, i explained myself and why my position may be wrong/crazy/retarded - but not a lie!
Do you have any examples of lies i have told? I do not want to lie, and if there is some example you are aware of, I would like to discuss it!
Then you’ll be happy to hear, like most all of us, I am a muckblood/mutt - not an aristocrat/inbred!