Flat Earth belief is religious, not rational.
Indeed, all belief is religious - very much including spherical earth belief (the norm, most likely your belief as well)
This is often exposed in the verbiage used when they are asked what shape they think the earth is ( ex. "I believe it's a sphere/spherical")
Said the flat Earther.
Another lie from the liar, big surprise.
Irony
I don't verbally attack or slander users. I call you a liar because you demonstrably are one, and repeatedly demonstrate it.
Get fucked, shill.
This is a violation of policies here. Perhaps a mod will explain it to you... again.
That is exactly what the flat earth psyop is intended to make you believe!
It's so retarded that it is NEVER worth your time to earnestly research. And even if you were to "swim upstream" and investigate anyway, the obfuscation from the offensively stupid and heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop would likely be what you first encountered (again, convincing you that there is nothing to the subject and no reason to dig deeper).
Much like the phrase "conspiracy theory/ist"; it is almost exclusively used to suppress and discredit ideas because they have merit.
The heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop is (obviously and by definition) a psyop.
The primary purpose of that psyop is to stop people from earnestly researching or discussing the subject because of how valuable it is.
It does this a variety of ways
- Portraying "flat earthers" (nomenclature and visage both products of the psyop) as impossibly/unrealistically stupid. You are meant to believe that people this stupid aren't worth considering, and therefore anything they say is to always be ignored.
- Loudly advertising demonstrably false claims. This supports #1 but also convinces some earnest wayward researchers to pick them up and repeat them. It's a method of "seeding strawmen". In the frightfully simplistic mind of the "debunker" and audience - 1 wrong claim = all wrong claims.
- Encouraging (false) antagonism and enmity between a false dichotomy of "globers" vs "flerfers" (childish and inherently stupid derogatories like this are also products of the psyop). As long as they are enemies and squabling like children - they can't collaborate or effectively share knowledge / communicate.
ya, maybe, i see his other comments...FE is super trigger for him
I doubt it. He's/it's full troll, no genuine emotion or action whatsoever - also indicative of a bot. I've attempted to communicate with them at extreme and tedious length.
They can't read or parse responses, so instead they respond as if they are having a conversation with the voices in their head / script copy.
As i said, i sincerely hope - for their sake - that they are a bot.
[refuses to answer the questions]
I simply answered them already. Don't you remember? Check your post history.
Reported
A bot and a tattle tale who waste's mods' time with nonsense...
In your deluded estimation - what community rule could you possibly think i've broken? It's not like i am constantly lying or verbally attacking/slandering users (ad hominem) and calling for their immediate suicide... God (and the mods) only knows why you are still allowed to be here after your endless policy violations.
Fair enough.
Do you have a link handy (to them making this claim / providing this map and claiming it was correct for the route in question)?
HEY THERE, OTHER CONFIRMED PAID SHILL
Hey there, lunatic. Screaming "PAID SHILL" incessantly is not confirming anything but your own fantasy and bias/prejudice.
As for your trivial to answer copypasta, look up the answers i gave you the last time you pasted them - back when i was still silly enough to believe you weren't a liar and/or a bot.
Tallestshil is most certainly a liar, and i hope - for their sake - a bot.
According to Flat Earthers,
There are no flat earthers, but even if there were - they wouldn't all believe/claim the same thing. Earnest flat earth researchers are largely independent. No bibles, no churches, and no colleges for them to be conditioned by rote under the guise of education/enlightenment and then all parrot the same things.
According to who? It seems you are making up a strawman claim.
I don't remember flying via Norway and Siberia. Care to explain?
Most likely options are
- The strawman map above is wrong.
- You didn't fly in a perfectly straight line.
Neither have anything to do with the shape of the earth or to determining it.
I've blocked you
:( Insulting and then running away is what little children do. If you ever grow up - you know where to find me.
There is no point in speaking with a retard
Did you really think you were speaking with someone at any point? What you were doing is called “talking” (vapid insult mostly) at someone.
Every single sentence you wrote, lacks grammar, lacks formulation
Don’t generalize. Be specific. Provide examples. These are just good suggestions to effectively communicate in the future.
Only a retard could ever understand it
Are you really so embarrassed that you couldn’t understand it that you have to believe that the only one that ever could is the “retard” who wrote it? Are you truly so proud and vain that you can’t bring yourself to ask a single question about something you didn’t understand?
Anyway, i wish you well. My advice above and strewn throughout my responses you ignored / didn’t understand is for your benefit - and in no way an attack.
Read your grammatical structure
Don’t generalize. Be specific.
Give an example of this “grammatical structure” that you couldn’t understand. I’m happy to explain what i meant if you don’t understand, but you need to ask specific questions in order for me to do that.
No I am not emotional
It’s not me you need to convince... I know you don’t want to be emotional, but your behavior speaks for itself. Start acting the way you want to be perceived. Take a deep breath.
But I am calling you a retard
Ad hominem is the last resort of the intellectually feeble. They attack the thinker out of desperation because they aren’t competent to attack the thought. Do better if you can. Spewing childish (and meaningless) insult only demonstrates your weakness and inability to control your emotions.
At what point have you offered any argument?
None. Argument is for fools. I only seek earnest discussion.
It's an emotional retard spazzing
That’s good - identifying your problem is the first step in doing something about it. No need to “attack” and keep spazzing. Just calm down, and try using your words to have a conversation - or be silent.
No we won't go there.
Who do you think you are talking to? The voices in your head are not your friends. There is only us - no one else is reading this.
You're literally retarded
I get it. You’re emotional and now butthurt simply because i noticed and told you so :(
Here’s another approach. Calm down, get a handle on your emotions, and use your words to actually communicate instead of reflexively gripe/bitch/insult.
He's retarded
Says the person that deludedly thinks they are talking to anyone but that “retard”. Who do you think is reading this? It’s just us here dude. No one else cares. Addressing your imaginary “chorus” is borderline crazy.
Try to read a single sentence Jack wrote
Just because you struggle with reading comprehension, doesn’t mean everyone else does. As i said, if you don’t understand - don’t pout, don’t gripe; just ask questions and i’m happy to help if i can.
You haven't once talked about the subject
That’s mostly true. I just talked about your original comment and the mistakes/misunderstandings in it. The rest has been you spazzing out, and me retardedly trying to help you calm down and understand what i said.
You have had no argument
True. Argument is for manipulation, and i don’t want to manipulate/convince you.
You haven't once clarified anything
I clarified that the logic of “It’s raining, so there has to be water up there in the sky” is a perfectly reasonable and sound logical assessment. I also clarified that there are no “flat earthers” the way you have been convinced there are by a heavily advertised psyop.
Thanks for that clarity Jack
Did you notice that in all your fragmented, repetitive rambling and ad hominem you never once asked a question? When you don’t understand - ask questions!
More psychotic babble
Sounds like you didn’t understand it. When you don’t understand something, try asking questions! (also, take a breath and calm down)
They get all emotional.
Is this your way of telling me you are a flat earther? If not, what is your excuse for being so emotional?
As i said before, there aren’t really any flat earthers. The “people” you’ve interacted with are products and/or agents of a psyop. They are often antagonistic (including emotionally volatile, not unlike yourself) because that is a tactic which stifles communication and collaboration.
Nobody understands you.
When you don’t understand something, rather than resort to childish insult or silly declarations like the above - try asking questions! The more specific the question, the more likely you are to get a specific answer.
You haven't attempted an actual answer or debate
Answer to what?!
As for debate, no - that is base pageantry for morons and is best avoided. I prefer, like all capable students, earnest rational discourse instead.
All i did was respond to correct and clarify some things you said.
Instead you're distorting everything
Don’t generalize. Be specific. Name one thing i distorted (use examples / quotes!) then go from there.
No you are
I am neither emotional, nor compelled to childish vitriol by that emotion. But you evidently are :( It’s very difficult to effectively communicate when you let your emotions control you. Take a breath.
We were discussing the topic
Yes, and one of the things you said while discussing that topic was wrong. It is not wrong/illogical/stupid to assume that because it rains that there must be water up above to fall. It is the complete opposite of that.
Where did the sky ocean, rain, come from, according to them
According to who? If you mean in the biblical view - the answer is obvious.
Not from anything else.
So you want to believe. But that want and belief does not make you correct - for the exact same reasons that theirs doesn’t.
You ignored it and retardedly imagine flat earth
Huh? You seem very confused and are certainly not describing anything i actually said. If you disagree - please provide the quotes of my comments that led you to this (incorrect) conclusion/interpretation so i can explain.
Because there's a sky ocean gonna flood us.
So the bible teaches (though that same bible ostensibly promises that it won’t happen again).
Do you think I am angry typing?
You are (ostensibly) reacting emotionally and compelled irrationally to vitriol by that emotion - whatever you want to call it.
No argument to do with the topic
What are you babbling about? I sincerely can’t tell. Perhaps if you could control your emotion and use your words instead - communication would be possible...
They had no concept of how rain formed it was from the gods judging them
The biblical view was that it came from slits in the sky, which allowed the oceans above to stream down. There are of course, many other ideas in antiquity. But what they generally have in common, is the logic that because water falls from the sky - there must be water up there to fall down. My point was that that logic is as sound then as it is today.
We still have retards today believing in sky oceans.
And if above the sky, there were an ocean - would that make you the retard? In my view, it is belief writ large that is the enemy of knowledge - not the particular belief.
Or Jewish alien space lasers.
I don’t know about the jewish aliens (or space, writ-large) but lasers coming from the sky are entirely real and there is footage available of them in action if you’re interested.
Are they used to start fires? They certainly could be.
Why are fucking retarded?
Why are irrationally angry?
Rain comes from clouds in the sky it doesn't mean there's an Ocean in the sky
Not necessarily (although that is what they thought, and wrote in the bible), but it does mean there is water up there to come down. That was my whole point; that logic is entirely sound - including today.
Superstition
Perhaps, or perhaps history embellished/corrupted by time and the grapevine.
This is why every act of God in the Bible was from nature
I’m not so sure. This is a core modern apologist doctrine. Is resurrection natural? How about parting of the seas, virgin birth, or turning water to wine? How about a staff transforming into a serpent? Does that happen naturally?
You spewing a mythical firmament doesn't mean there's a Flat Earth
I am not spewing anything of the sort. The firmament and the flat earth are plainly described in the bible many times - but i agree that does not make either of them true/real.
I recommend
HyperNormalisation
https://archive.org/details/HyperNormalisation
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZMUoGgzavvND/
and possibly
Drugs as weapons against us (however be prepared for some of the worst soundtrack ever put on anything)
https://tubitv.com/movies/566779/drugs-as-weapons-against-us (US only, sadly)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gpXvQfSpSjJP/
Netflix propaganda, but arguably worth a watch.
A decent overview (and product) of the heavily advertised (i.e. heavily funded) flat earth psyop, in any case.
No problem (or obligation to respond!).
It’s a subject i like to discuss and explore/exchange views on, and i’m in no hurry.
Thanks for the update.
Re-read the answers i already gave you to those questions, if you can.
Then ask any followup questions you might have.
Nothing of substance
If direct answers to your questions are nothing of substance, perhaps you are asking the wrong questions (and/or not understanding the answers).
Are you afraid to commit to a testable statement?
Nothing i’ve stated isn’t testable. That’s what makes your wonton and committed ignorance amusing ;)
As predicted you are not giving a distance
Re-read my answer, if you are able.
and you are not providing evidence.
You ignoring the evidence i provide is not the same as not providing it. Reasoning, explanation, and observation are also evidence.
You just make more unsupported claims.
I just try to explain, which you ignore and misunderstand. When you don’t understand, the best thing to begin with is to ask questions!
and it's clear you believe
I work very hard not to believe. Belief is the enemy of knowledge, and to the possibility of objective study of any kind (it’s called bias).
that to hide the obvious nature of the earth, sun and stars wouldn't take conspiracy or motive by the people/species that manage and secure said flat plane containment area with the ice continent surrounding us.
It might require a conspiracy to hide the nature of reality - but not to simply be wrong about it nor to spread those wrong views. Being wrong is the default, and we do it without any help.
As for the ice continent, that is merely a speculation (and one that does not have much support). The world’s shape does not depend on the shape of any continent. It is a popular red herring and erroneous conflation pushed by the flat earth psyop. Antarctica can be the shape and size it is believed by most to be, and the world can still be flat (and vice versa). They have no dependency on one another.
You just think we are so stupid and preoccupied with toil and desires, we haven't figured out that we are on a flat plane.
You misunderstand. The smartest people who have ever lived, including today, were all wrong. Wrong does not equal stupid. There is no shame in being wrong - as i said, it’s our default. Beyond that, stupid is not an archetype, but an aspect of humanity. We are all stupid too.
Most people never give this subject any serious thought at all. They merely believe and repeat as they were conditioned to do, by rote under the guise of education from childhood. You might call that stupid, but i mostly call it gullible/trusting and victimized.
And to further exemplify our extreme difference in world views,
Perhaps. I’m not sure how much our worldviews differ. I expect they are more similar than you currently expect - but i could be wrong, and we are just beginning to exchange them!
Humans are connected to a soul, which is individual and part of infinite love and knowledge.
I don’t discount the possibility/reality of a soul, but if it truly allowed connection to infinite knowledge - i don’t think we would be so consistently wrong all the time. I don’t have this infinite knowledge, and i have never known anyone who did.
No, we don't devole by nature.
I’m not sure on this one (assuming you mean “devolve”). The bible certainly describes it, unambiguously, that way. Adam was perfect and it was all downhill from there (until the blip with jesus, and then right back to downhill again).
In any case, i was not describing “devolution”. I was just saying that by default, we are stupid and wrong as a species and as individuals. We are not preprogrammed with the correct answers - sadly.
THAT is programming YOU have not rejected yet.
What is THAT programming that i have not rejected?
The biggest aspect to cognitive dissonance is the inability to accept new information that would easily dislodge your traditional thought.
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t hinder or prevent new (contradictory or otherwise) knowledge. Cognitive dissonance is itself caused by accepting contradictory knowledge. You are talking about “intellectual inertia”, “conditioning”, “appeal to authority”, “sunken cost”, and the inability to think and learn for themselves (autodidacticism).
This structure was not self developed.
Agreed. That comes from the top down (authoritarian).
But until then, it's hopeless
Perhaps. I think the existence of the heavily advertised (i.e. heavily funded) flat earth psyop itself suggests that it isn’t. The woman doth protest too much.
It is the duty of us who see the truth/have knowledge, to share it with others. There is much work to be done, hope or not.
At least someone is entertained!