Jack was interesting. I couldn't really figure him out. There was no doubt he was actually kind of smart, like in a verbal debate sort of way. He was actually good at logical argument and people like him can catch the average non flat earther, who does not really understand physics but just assumes it's right, in logical fallacies and whatever.
Incidentally, this is why I like flat earth and the other non conventional globe theories. I like math and physics a lot so I view these theories as tests of my actual understanding of these things. A good scientist should be able to drop the heliocentric globe assumption and reason his way back to it. It is also a good barometer for the conspiracy theories I do believe. By this I mean, if I can't figure out that the heliocentric globe is actually correct and identify why those conspiracy theories are wrong, then what confidence do I have in the other conspiracy theories that I do believe. Because, you know, planes fly around the globe all the time and there are satellites orbiting it pretty much everywhere, so it is correct.
So I like to debunk flat earth, but not for the same reason all the dorky science influencers do it.
Anyway, Jack was smart enough that I almost thought he did not actually believe any of it. But if I had to guess, this is wrong. He is probably just a bit weird and so has decided to be this esoteric guy who does not believe in the standard globe model but also thinks most of the competing theories are psyops.
Who knows what he thinks. He has been quiet for a while it seems.
Yes, Hitler negotiated the Haavara agreement with the zionists, but world jewry had other plans.
I'm not sure that National Socialism was a part of some greater conspiracy. I think that Hitler just pointed out reality and organized a resistance. Unfortunately, the people in other countries, especially the US and England, were not aware of this.
Now, the world looks more or less the way Hitler warned would be the consequences of his losing. Unfortunate.
Yes, I remember that. The mod, jack4455667788, promoted it a bit on PDW. I did not go join the community, but I did read them from time to time. They died out pretty quickly, as you can see by scrolling through it. There are few from this year, then it jumps back to two years. But it gets to 3 years in like maybe 10 posts tops. So it was pretty dead. Honestly, how long can one do "flat earth research" lmao. At some point, you have to face up to the research leading nowhere.
I did engage a few FEers who did post their shit at PDW. They would get downvoted to oblivion but I would rather nicely ask them why they thought what they thought and then explain why it was wrong. But for the most part FE was pushed out of PDW because most people there view it as dumb.
As far as this place goes, it is supposed to be for conspiracies I guess, so it should be allowed. But FE is so big it dominates as a conspiracy. It is a whole new physics. So if you really believe in it, you should be working on it in a dedicated forum I guess? But both FE forums here are totally dead, which is why I generally assume that people do not actually believe it and are either trolling or well poisoning.
IDK. I find it interesting in a way. I really wish FE people would argue their position in good faith, I would find the debate scientifically interesting. But if they were going to do that, they would not be FEers. They would have long concluded that the globe / heliocentric model is the best we have, and is actually so accurate that we can rather safely call it "true."
I am about as anti flat earth as you can imagine (while spending a lot of time watching their documentaries and letting people in forums argue the position). That said, even I can admit that, naively, when you look around it does look like you are on a flat plain (with topography). I can understand why various peoples throughout history, particularly in the distant past, believed that. I can even understand why people believe it today. It is just that, with an even marginally more refined view, there is no way to make a flat earth model work with the observations we have. (Sorry to the FEers here).
But the idea that we are inside a globe? Essentially standing "upside down" with our heads all pointed towards the center? And "the sky" is just space in the center of this sphere? How could you even have day and night? When the sun is "on the other side" it is just "a bit farther away." At midnight, the sun would be straight overhead but a bit smaller.
And yes. FEers love to show the high altitude balloons and the amateur rocket videos. So even they admit we can go to ~100,000 feet, or in the case of the Go Fast rocket, like 70 miles. Those videos clearly show a dark empty space, with a sun and sometimes a moon depending on its position. There is no "other side of the earth" that you can see. Just blackness.
So yes, I don't think my questions were unreasonable at all. The idea that we are inside the globe is totally ludicrous, even by the standards of typical "anti conventional globe / heliocentric" models. If you are going to claim this and call those who disagree "larval" you should be ready to answer questions.
Suffice it to say that my experience with the outputs of AI models is nothing like what I saw him pasting here. I actually found that useful. It is a metric of how different the response from those LLMs can be depending on the user.
I don't have as much experience with that level of the "sycophancy" because I use AI more rigorously. So I doubt AI would ever agree with me about the things you saw in that post before you took it down. But this is because I ask AI technical questions in a technical way. I express confusion at things and ask why my interpretation is wrong. If I really reject something it says I push back and say so.
If you use it like that, it can be a good tool. But it is good to know that if you feed it enough conspiracy gibberish it will end up outputting things like what we saw in that post. LLMs truly understand nothing.
And yes, they probably are a plot by the elite to turn everyone into morons and become an "oracle of truth" so to speak. Then, people can be made to believe anything by having the AI models start saying it. That conspiracy theory is probably real, lol.
Personally I view AI as a tool and I have no desire to ban the use of tools. Sentient adults are capable of determining when and how to use tools. And how do you enforce this? I mean, if someone wants to ask AI about a debate here and ask it to analyze the arguments and generate responses, is that a violation? Is that even enforceable?
That said, his direct copy paste of the output from feeding this thread into AI is hilarious and sad. I guess just hilariously sad? Or sadly hilarious? The worst part was the end, where he included the part where the AI is like "if you want, we can get back to work on book 3 next" or whatever it said.
Wild. This is the future we are all facing? I kinda want off this merry-go-round.
Dude, this reads like you have split personality disorder. Did you have AI write this or something? It is honestly wild. I did enjoy the read though.
I think you have misunderstood me. I am here because I believe in a fair amount of conspiracies. At the very least, I definitely took zero doses of the covid shot, lmfao. I doubt anyone here took that fake jab.
I always press antiglobers because IMO all of those conspiracies exist to discredit and distract the truth movement. So I make someone prove their position. If your position is well founded, you should be able to do this. If not, then maybe... you should modify your position?
Science rock stars
Again, I think you are not reading me correctly. I specifically brought up a hypothetical where NDT and Nye make the claim you are making, that we are inside a hollow globe, and their evidence is the video you posted. My point is, if someone you don't believe used this line of argument, would you accept it? I picked those two because I know that they are hated as "rockstars of science."
Similarly, since you said that string theory should be able to explain gravity, I responded that no one other than jokers like Michio Kaku believe in string theory. String theory is almost not science at all, it is sitting in this unfalsifiable position. Again, I brought up Michio because I know how hated he is.
""Surface skimming...""" Apparently AI is a bad reader too?
Anyway, rather than calling me a surface skimmer and saying that my whole worldview of defending academia including the covid vax will be shattered once CERN comes back online and brainwashes the planet, why don't you... respond to the questions? I mean, all of us being inside of the earth is pretty wild. It is bound to lead to some objections and questions. So, you know, try to answer them?
And if you can't, maybe... modify your opinion?
Well, that is his claim here. As far as the more usual hollow earth, which is fundamentally a globe / heliocentric model just modified so the earth is hollow rather than shells of mantel and cores and whatever, that is a different matter. I don't necessarily believe that, but it is at least a bit more conceivable.
As always, although I know you won't, you don't need to take them down for me. I actually managed to see this one before you got it, and I thought it was pretty funny. Although the dude is like the textbook case study for so called "AI psychosis" lol. It almost is making me think he is trolling.
ROFLMAO! You posted this ginormous wall of text claiming, among other things, that we are literally on the inside of a hollow earth. You refer to people who do not know about these things you have supposedly discovered as, and I quote, "larval"! All I did was poke at a few of your points, saying how this makes no sense. I could not respond to everything as it would have been longer than it already was. But even this little bit is too much for you!
Might I point out, in case it has been forgotten, that you have been coming here and posting a bunch of gibberish and then linking to your verrrry expensive book on Amazon. The least we can expect is that you provide us with at least one factual and verifiable claim first? I mean, is it unreasonable to think "before I pay this guy hundreds of dollars, he should prove to me that he is for real by providing something I can verify as 100% real that will let me know that highly censored and important information is in this expensive book"?
I guess you thought people would just see your wall of text and send you money?
Let's see you poo-poo what the AI says.
LOOOL! "AI said it"!?!? This is a conspiracies forum. People here generally believe the purpose of AI is to be an authority source for the elites to use to lie to people.
Use notepad++ to do searches in the files.
Searching in files does not need any particular software, pretty much everything does that.
Maybe do a search for "concave" since you can't grasp what it's talking about.
I think I do grasp what it's talking about. I think I grasp it better than you, since I grasp why the whole thing makes no sense.
I don't think you got the attention span to handle this level of data
I had the attention span to read your whole post, as you saw. I even got the attention span to handle things like "why doesn't the atmosphere evaporate into space" lmao.
So shut the fuck up, if you can't go through it all to understand what I'm trying to talk about, that it was telling me.
That isn't very nice. And lol at this "you're wrong because AI told me I'm right" angle you are taking! I was not expecting that.
Trying to poo-poo, all my shit
This is just amazing. Your entire post is "poo-poo-ing" centuries of work by some of the smartest people to ever live. That doesn't mean you are wrong, but you should be comfortable with people disputing claims and prepared to defend your own. And your arguments are not even particularly new or clever. They are the same tired "they don't know what gravity is and why the atmosphere does not fly away and just because they can guess where the moon will be does not mean their model is true" that I have seen from every other FEer and other non glober on the internet.
Despite this, just a few counterpoints as to what exactly such a "concave earth" theory would predict, and you respond like this? If you have really figured all of this out, you should be prepared to explain it to a "larval" like me. Even if I think I'm "hot shit" with my "school shit."
If you aren't going to answer simple questions, I am going to guess you don't have answers. I doubt I want to spend hundreds of dollars on a book that leaves so many questions unanswered.
I'm not sure I understand the connection between hollow earth and CERN, why this would mean that CERN can exercise mind control over the public or whatever. But setting that aside, I think you have a lot of work to do in demonstrating that we are in fact inside a "hollow" / "concave" earth. The flat earthers here and elsewhere will be pretty mad to hear you confirm curvature and rotation and deny the firmament, of course. But honestly, as bad as flat earth is as a conspiracy, "hollow" / "concave" earth is even worse. The documentary you linked says pretty much nothing, it is just a bunch of CGI, some cut off half claims about experiments no one explains, and a bunch of strange pulsing music.
Seriously, if Neal Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye claimed we were on the inside of a hollow earth and posted that video as evidence, would you believe them?
Particularly, how they're supposedly so smart, with all their scientists, around the world, yet over the years, nobody has still even figured out what "gravity", fuckin is...
This always amazes me. Every single explanation leaves some things unexplained, or else the explanation would be infinite. The typical flat earth "density and buoyancy" leaves those two things unexplained. The more ethereal flat earth "static electric fields" and "toroidal magnetism" leaves those unexplained. The difference is, physics explains exactly how gravity behaves. Whether Newtonian or relativistic, anyone can learn a universal phenomenon of gravity and then calculate for themselves what is expected in any circumstance. Physics does something similar for electricity and magnetism too. I never see theorists like you object to how we can't explain why electricity and magnetism happens, and in fact, people like you tend to like using those phenomena in theories. Gravity is no different.
Newton gave gravity a simple rule and left its mechanism unexplained. Einstein gave it a mechanism with a slightly more complex rule, but left the mechanism for that unexplained. Maybe someday someone will explain gen rel gravity by more fundamental principles, who knows...
even though they can throw "string theory" at it.
No, because most people don't believe in string theory because it is verging on not being science. Only some weirdos like Michio Kaku are into that. Serious people like Penrose don't waste their time on it.
This is why the flat earth guys have some observations that may have data which seems to show
No, they don't. There are no observations invalidating the globe model, there are just incorrect claims about observations.
When I was going through that, the data was like.. hey.. there's no plot holes here. WTF.
To be totally clear, you are saying that after extensive study, you found absolutely nothing to invalidate a "hollow / concave earth" model. There is no observation contradicting the predictions of a "hollow / concave earth" model. None? But the globe is full of "plot holes" as you call them?
explains how the fucking gasses don't just evaporate into outer space.
No serious person thinks that this is an objection. Unless you are a child starting science education, there should be no paradox as to why the atmosphere does not just rush off into space. There is an entire body of study called "atmospheric science" or "atmospheric physics" that studies atmospheres in intricate detail. Understanding how an atmosphere can remain attached to a planet is something any reasonably clever undergrad can do.
Gravity is just "centrifugal force", like the carnival pin you to the wall, spin ride. This whole thing is rotating around in here.
As I said, the FE people will be very angry with you for saying their precious stationary plane is actually a spinning ball (albeit the inside of one). But seriously, the gravity that you for some reason won't believe exists even though you would never jump off of your roof is the reason why the atmosphere stays on the earth despite the vacuum of space.
And while you refuse to believe in the principle of gravity, this "centrifugal effect" you are appealing to is about the easiest thing to refute. If we were on the inside of a non gravitating spinning ball and our experience of gravity was the centrifugal effect, then we would measure what we call gravity as being half as strong near the arctic and antarctic circles as at the equator. The UN does not get you out of this because people live in Norway, Finland, Greenland, and Tierra del Fuego.
But in fact, we measure that acceleration to be about 0.3% (that is, 0.003) weaker at the equator. This is consistent with the centrifugal effect being upwards, that is, the opposite direction of what we call gravity, and much weaker than it, owing to the earth's rotation rate (given by the length of the day) and claimed radius. In fact, given the measured average acceleration that anyone anywhere can check, the reduction at the equator is pretty much spot on as the centrifugal effect for the known length of a day and claimed radius.
You can't go to the fuckin planets cause it's like a bad fuckin "planetarium", 1970's museum, projection show.
"No plot holes," I see. Everything we see in the sky is just a bad planetarium as would be in a 1970s museum.
Well, it's like these fuckin prisms that can bend shit.
"No plot holes," I see. The apparent sunrise and sunset is "like these fuckin prisms that can bend shit." LMAO.
I don't know.. I don't believe anything unless I'd see it with my own eyes.
Apparently except for the "hollow" / "concave" "cell / egg" earth we are on the inside of, unless you saw that at some point? Or at least data demonstrating it? And apparently the "bad 1970s planetarium" is something you are willing to believe without seeing it with your own eyes?
What you do know, is what they're trying to tell you in school, you sense, like come on.. you guys are so fuckin smart, how come you can't figure out shit like damn gravity.
They have figured out "damn gravity." Gravity can be used to know when a solar eclipse will occur in a thousand years. It can be used to project the position of every planet for centuries. So it depends on what you mean by "figure out." If you mean accuracy at the scale of galactic and intergalactic space, then the answer is "maybe." It would require new mass, but otherwise gravity is wrong and needs to be corrected. It would not be the first time, in the early 1900s gravity had some wrong predictions (one in particular involving Mercury) and it was corrected in GR. If by "figure out" you mean "the big why" then no, no one understands "the big why" gravity exists.
But at practical scales, gravity is well understood and is infinitely more refined, exact, and accurate than any flat earth or hollow earth model. And no flat or concave earther understands "the big why" their supposed "toroidal magnetism" or "density and buoyancy" exist either. But in addition to that they can't do anything useful with their theories. They pretty much are unable to explain the seasons, phases of the moon, or why we will have an eclipse in about seven weeks (on August twelve).
How about if you check the damn moon lander
The moon lander was not made to fly to the moon, it was made to be carried to the moon and then land one time, last for a few days, and be left behind (a small portion of it had to dock with the orbiter briefly). It was subjected to intense thermal loads, which is why it has foil shielding on it. Other than that it was designed to be as light as possible, which is why everything is small and the foil is just adhered onto the frame.
Nixon on the phone with fuckin the moon and they get back to him right away. Should be a delay.
Just go watch the video. There is a delay of about 3 seconds every time the astronauts speak. This is a thing so easy to verify that even you can manage to do it, despite all the time you have to spend on your other "research." The video of the phone call is all over the internet. The delay is unmistakable. I guess it could still be faked, but "there should be delay" is not a valid argument.
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Holy shit, a rock band putting funny lyrics into a song referencing a conspiracy theory that existed for decades prior is not an argument.
So yeah.. all this shit, it's pointing towards concave earth.
LMAO. All what shit, exactly? I'm still waiting for some sort of demonstration of what a "concave earth" theory looks like. In fact, I am still waiting for a single argument why the conventional globe model is wrong. No one ever provides one.
I think this is because Tim Berners Lee invented the WWW for CERN. So pretty much no one else knew what the web was at the time.
The OP here has clearly gotten lost into AI psychosis land. I think he needs to be left alone.
While it is funny, it is also a bit scary reading his copy pastes. Like, Gemini is really fuckin this dude up in the head. It is wild if Google is unable to ascertain that this is happening right now with the conversation the model is having with him. Maybe that is the case, but it seems unlikely and honestly this does support the general conspiracy theory that AI was rolled out to turn people's minds into mush.