only insofar as Jews actually do run everything and actually do have us enslaved and worshipping their god. Thats the best objective metric for the truth of the bible - that we already ARE the servants of Jews and that they are the 'light of the nations' ie they rule over us indirectly and that their god has somehow successfully replaced our own.
Remember they prophesied that the nations would foreswear their own ancestors and grab the hem of their garments saying 'God is with you'.
Yeah, they certainly brought that about. But through cunning rather than anything divine. Still, prophecy fulfilled.
The difference is, some of us are NOT suffering from Stockholm syndrome about it...
and just a few short verses later...
They Shall Be My People; I Will Be Their God Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence; Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jesus said many times over that he has only come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He wanted nothing to do with the non-israelites.
In fact, he used 'gentiles' as as an example of what NOT to be in the Sermon on the Mount and when he sent his apostles out, he gave them the explicit instruction to stay away from gentiles. So, all the words of Jesus which you think are so beautiful and full of salvation etc are not FOR you - they are exlusively for Israel
Abraham is the ancestor of Israel. It's an ancestral myth and doesn't expand gods portfolio of people whatsoever. God clearly states many times throughout the bible that he only the god of israel and he clearly has a hateful, disdainful view of all the peoples and nations who are not israel.
this is not an elite research forum - its turned into a bit of a christian echo-chamber populated by just a tint handful of the same people.
If it were really elite research then how come you just adopt all the brainless interpretations of the bible that have been handed to you, rather than having read the thing yourself and uncovered the obvious...?!?!
Abraham Isaac and Jacob - all a precursor to Israel.
This Jewish ancestral myth doesn't incorporate anyone other than Israel. God says he is EXCLUSIVELY the god of israel and all us other nations and people can either serve his people, lick the dust off their feet, or perish
to be a christian is to be a 'jew who says they are a jew but are not, and do lie'. To be a christian is to be a 'jew in name only' and one of those pretenders whom Jesus in the book of Revelation had such disdain for. Jews and muslims would count as these false jews.
No, he is called the Lord God of Israel to distinguish himself from his competitor gods, of whom he was jealous. The name denotes who he is the god of -the people Israel. Whereas all other people had their own gods. Like Moab, Chemosh, Diana, Thor, et al
Those gods were of course later banned via the successful conquest of the Jewish religion and its offshoots Islam and Christianity. Our own native gods, religions and ancestors were considered persona non-grata, lumped together as 'goyim', 'gentile', 'kafir' or 'pagan' and systematically destroyed and replaced by this god of a hostile foreign people who believe themselves to be destined to rule over us all.
He's the Lord God of Israel and of NO-ONE else.
Just for my awareness, are the majority of people here on a side of this debate?
Do people generally accept that the media and alt media talking heads like Candace and Kirk are true and honest figureheads for whatever debate they happen to be having?
Or is there any who believe that this is all a Punch and Judy, scripted puppet show down to and including the alleged assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Was the assassination a plot device of a grander Psy Op narrative or was it real and all this is a legitimate aftermath and inquiry?
They do. And they all have collective nouns to refer to people who don’t share their own beliefs. For Christian’s, they are called ‘Pagans’ but Pagan isn’t a thing in and of itself - it’s just a term that denotes non-Christian.
So referring to ‘pagans’ as having a false belief set is erroneous, since it incorporates a multitude of unrelated, unconnected belief sets as well as those with no belief set whatsoever.
It is a valueless term outside of the Christian cult
Charlie Kirk is a TV character and you are here like all fans of TV shows discussing the plot twists and intricacies of the characters arc in the story.
Charlie Kirk wasn’t a real person and he wasn’t actually killed. His character was killed off in this reality TV show and worn out of the story.
Gosh, have you even read the Bible at all?
Romans 7:4, John 3:29, Rev 19:7-9, Rev 21:2 etc all talk about you lot being Jesus wife.
Luke 24:44, Mathew 5:17, John 5:46 as a taster on the fulfilling of Jewish prophecies
Matt 24:30, 26:64, Mark 13:26, 14:62, Luke 21:27 Jesus coming back on a cloud (yet you say it is somehow a ‘strawman’?! Isn’t it the very words supposedly spoken by someone you think is your lord and saviour? Or do you just casually dismiss the bits of Jesus you think are weird)
Rev 21:1, Rev 22:5 no sea, no sun
On the god of Israel, are you serious? Exodus 6:7, 29:45, 32:27, Leviticus 26:12, Judges 11:23, Ezra 6:21, Psalm 41:13, Isaiah 37:16, Amos 5:27
Really there are just too many examples to name. I can’t believe you are unaware that your god only ever claims to be the god of Israel. How can you not know that? When he’s a jealous god and tells ‘his people’ not to worship other gods, who do you think he’s talking about? The gods of the other nations dummy e.g Chemosh, Diana, Moab etc
He was just one of many and all nations had their gods. He was the god of Israel and that is who you have been mentally and theologically deceived into worshipping in your special little Abrahamic cult.
you believe that the god of israel is the one true god who sent his son down to earth as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of people and that he will come back on the clouds to destroy all the wicked and fulfill all the jewish prophecies and that there will be no light and no water and the world will be ruled from jerusalem and that everyone who has died will all congregate one day for a final judgment and that you are his sheep who just has to 'believe' that jesus is a saviour in order to be 'saved' etc and that you and all who 'believe' are collectively Jesus's wife to be yada yada
Like, get real mate - that's the most cultish shit you could possibly believe
Just don’t like seeing people be drawn into cults. Especially ones that despise their very essence