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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

"the sun and moon and stars all move a different rates across the sky, you should check it with your own eyes, a stop watch, a pen, and a notepad. think of how you can actually test this for sure. thats all FE is about, people thinking and observing for themselves, doing the math and thinking logically,"

All of our clocks are based on the Sun coming directly overhead every 24 hours, which it always does. The Star Constellations also appear directly overhead every 24 hours. The moon is the same except it is off by 1/28 of the circumference every day, because it is orbiting the earth every 28 days.

I can set (and have) a clock by the position of the Sun or Stars. It takes them both exactly 24 hours to return to their position directly above us.

However in the Arctic Circle, where I have observed this, the Sun makes a complete circle low along the horizon, while the north Star is motionless above my head and all the other stars are fixed in place with the sun rotating around the horizon in exactly 24 hours.

A spinning globe easily explains the motion of the Sun, Stars and Moon very precisely.

The Flat Earth model, doesn't provide any times and distances for the 'speed' of these objects. Or a coherent explanation of the direction of the Stars and why and how they are apparently orbiting both the North Star and the Southern Cross at the same time.

Yes it is true, I don't understand the FE explanation at all because it isn't explained anywhere.

That is why I asked you how far above the Earth those objects are and how fast they are moving? I am also curious what is the energy source for the Moon's doing circles above the earth? Doing circles is a constant acceleration and requires a lot of energy.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

According to the Warburg Effect Cancer feeds off of Carbohydrates any Carbohydrate. Cutting off the supply of Carbohydrates will slow, not cure cancers.

Highly processed food, including all seed oils, contribute immensely to obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. etc.

Plants contain toxins, pesticides, anti nutrients, literally thousands of chemical compounds designed to injure and kill us.

The only safe foods to eat are animal products, eggs, meat, fish, etc.

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Bayesian 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think you mean arc, not curve. That has nothing to do with a flat earth, or are you saying that the moon curves towards the earth? And that if I travel to the point the Moon touches the Earth then what?

Yes I am a pilot and it is common to see mountains and other objects hundreds of miles away.

And yes, like I previously told you on a boat the furthest a person can be seen in the water is around 3 miles, using a telescope makes no difference because of the curvature of the ocean. On a flat earth I would be able to see them much further at least 30 miles or so.

Where can I find this Basic Flat Earth Truth? It needs to accurately explain the height of the Stars, Sun and Moon, their speeds and motions. That should be trivial right?

Oh and what is under the earth? Is it turtles all the way down?

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

What is the limit to the distance we can see horizontally on a flat earth? I can clearly see objects several hundred miles away on our spherical earth so certainly I could see objects much further on your flat earth.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's play with your numbers a little. If the moon is 3000 miles straight up above me moving 800 mph, then in 6 hours it would move 4800 miles off to the side. The moon will still be 60˚ high in the sky and highly visible.

Meanwhile in the real world the moon would have set and be invisible.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

When Flying I can see items hundreds of miles away with the naked eye. If I flew higher I could see further and that is over a curved earth.

How high is the Moon above the Earth?

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Bayesian 3 points ago +3 / -0

How far from the Earth is the Moon and how fast is it traveling?

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

If we lived on a flat plane, we could see anyone anywhere with a telescope.

If you went to the top of a mountain you would be able to see across all the oceans and see all of the mountains and cities of the world.

Why don't you climb a tall mountain on a coastal area with a telescope and tell us what cities and mountains you see on the other side of the ocean? And don't say you can't see that far, you can see the Moon and the Sun and Stars can't you? (without a telescope)

So again, How high up are the Sun, the Moon and the Stars?

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

I live on a boat and have good vision, binoculars, radar and AIS.

In man overboard drills, we can see a person (a head) in the water up to around 3 miles out. Anything beyond that range is impossible even with Stabilized binoculars. We know where the person is because of AIS.

The same thing is true with a sailboat. It varies with the height of sails and radar. If there is a radar reflector high on the mast of the sailboat, radar can see it around 25 miles away. As the Sailboat approaches I can sometimes see the top of the sail in the 18 miles range and the top of the Sail boat itself in the ~9 mile range.

The above proves that the earths oceans surface is curved.

I have no idea where you have gotten your 'idea' that objects that have dropped below the horizon, can be seen simply by increasing the magnification. It isn't true.

Now answer my question, how high are the moon, Sun and Stars and how fast are they moving?

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

I haven't observed any objects that should be hidden by the earths curvature.

However I commonly see ships sails, before I see the vessel itself. That in itself is evidence that the earth is curved.

About objects moving in the heavens, my observations agree 100% with the idea that the earth is making a revolution every 24 hours and that the Sun and Stars aren't moving, relative to each other.

Until you can come up with the speed and distances of the Sun, Moon and Stars, your flat earth theory is lacking the most important part of any theory and that is the ability to predict future results.

The spinning sphere theory can predict with incredible accuracy, the sunrise time 10 years into the future and any eclipses thousands of years into the future.

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Bayesian 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not everything is false. Newton's Laws, Thermodynamics, Maxwells equations, mathematic proofs, etc. are true.

What is needed is a fresh look, maybe Randall Mills Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics is correct?

The same goes for nutrition and disease, it is increasingly apparent that our modern diet of processed food is causing all kinds of diseases and slowly killing us. We know the proper human diet.

Maybe the Truth is staring us right in the face, but our training has made us blind to it.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am new to posting here, but I have been lurking since they were created and the problems over on the Chans.

I am not debating, dialectic discourse isn't science. I am simply trying to reconcile how the motions of the Stars, Sun and Moon reconciles with your flat earth model.

The reason I am asking for the distances and speeds of those objects is to see how well they match with measurable observations. The fact that you can't give me either of those numbers is very telling.

In the spinning globe model all of those speeds and distance are trivial to determine (and incredibly accurate). Your flat Earth Model can't seem to deal with those fundamental issues at all.

Your question about seeing to far is confusing to me. We 'see' photons, some of the photons we see in the night sky are from billions of light years away and our telescopes can see even further.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +3 / -1

Handshake account? Never talked to you before? We went back and forth a couple of times until you couldn't answer the question.

And yes the Stars, Sun and moon move across the sky at the same rate. If you don't believe me just point a sextant at them and you will see I am correct.

There are two exceptions though, Polaris and the Southern Cross. They don't move and the Stars rotate around them (every twenty four hours).

You won't reply to this because you can't. The only reasonable solution to the above observations is that the Earth is rotating, not that the sun is flying around a couple hundred miles above the earth.

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Bayesian 5 points ago +6 / -1

You never answered what the height and the speed of the sun is and why the stars, sun and moon all cross the sky at the same rate?

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Bayesian 2 points ago +2 / -0

Actually it is very common to reach that kind of temperature just below the surface of the water and down a few inches if the water is calm and undisturbed.

What is unusual is for the buoy to be in calm and undisturbed water. Temperature isn't the issue.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +3 / -1

Elon isn't pushing Central Bank Digital Currency, he is promoting an exchange and payment system using multiple currencies and digital currencies.

That is literally the opposite of a CBDC.

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Bayesian 5 points ago +5 / -0

The Central Bank can ignore reality much longer than you can.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nah the problem is that the Pharma companies are greedy fucking idiots.

They vaccinated into a pandemic, which means that all the vaxxed are going to be extremely vulnerable to the resultant mutated virus that will target the vaxxed.

I think part of the original bioweapon plan was to create a Marek's type disease, where the vaxxed spread a deadly disease to the unvaxxed.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +2 / -1

Without Elon the US would have no space launch capabilities (or at least being extremely limited).

His satellite constellation is going to make long distance internet connections 30% - 70% faster in some cases.

Elon's long term goal is to create a decentralized (uncontrolled) internet and monetary system. The design of the system (Starlink) tells us how it is going to be used.

And yes Elon is going to play both sides against each other to make things work out for him, a brilliant strategy actually.

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Bayesian 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your 'answer' was completely non responsive.

I want to know the FE's estimation of the distance of the sun, moon and stars above the earth and why their transit time across the sky is always identical? How is that possible?

Bonus question, how do the stars rotate around the North Star which is in a fixed position and doesn't move at all.

I have been above the Arctic circle during the Summer Solstice and watched the Sun circle low on the horizon completely around me never rising or setting. How does the FE model explain that? Both the stars and sun also do a complete rotation in a 24 hour period, with both the sun and the stars staying in the same relative position with each other?

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Bayesian -1 points ago +2 / -3

Musk's intent is to build a parallel internet, a parallel financial system and global economy.

As we watch the dedollarization of the world something has to replace it and it isn't going to be stupid CBDC's, or the BRIC's gold backed currency. It is going to be Bitcoin or something similar optimized for Starlinks constellation.

Starlink will eventually take a small cut of all the financial transactions in the world and replace most of the current financial services.

That is why Starlink is being built, at some point he may even pay customers to use his service, like he is now paying twitter content creators.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +2 / -0
  1. Yes, Elon is a con man, no question about that. Edison was also a conman who electrified the Country (with taxpayers money).

  2. When Starlink is completed there will be no need for data to go through the TPTB's infrastructure, instead it will be point to point. Obviously many of the points, will be controlled by TPTB like clouds and very convenient and free (your information is the product being sold), but that will be a choice.

  3. You seem to be confused about the public ledger part of bitcoin, yes it is monitored but the Government has no control over it, except with exchanges if that is what you want to do. It is better just to use digital currencies outside of Government control and regulation.

All of the above is COUNTER, to the CBDC and eID.

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Bayesian 4 points ago +4 / -0

No sarcasm at all. Look at the situation from a little different perspective. The current internet has a few nodes that all of the traffic has to go through making it easy to monitor and control. The NSA is the center of the internet.

Now look at Elons Starlink constellation, there are no conduits that force traffic through them and everyone is free to go from point to point, it is decentralized distributed computing, like bitcoin.

Design, tells us everything we need to know about the system and how it will be used.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +4 / -2

Friendly Internet. Elon's goal is a decentralized internet, which is very, very good for us.

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Bayesian 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because you can only see ISS when it reflects the suns light.

Here is one reason why the distances, direction, size and relative speed of the celestial objects is important.

The moon's monthly phases, clearly show that the moon makes a single rotation in a month, as shown by the phases of the moon. Most importantly the Moon's phases show that the Sun isn't moving in relation to the Moon (this is important). The lit up portion of the moon tells us the direction of the Sun to the Moon. Triangulating that angle between the Moon, Sun and Earth will provide the distance to the Sun.

We also know that both the Moon and the Sun, cross the sky in exactly the same 12 hour period. The Stars also cross the sky in exactly the same 12 hour period.

The only mathematical solution with the above physical constraints is that the Earth is rotating in space and the Moon is orbiting the Earth once a month.

From what I can tell, the FE theory doesn't answer any of those equations.

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