OK. I guess I just have a hard time understanding how people have a hard time understanding this. I used to think that flat earth was all fake and there weren't actually people who believed it. I have come around to the idea that some people really do believe it in good faith, and those people are generally allies on most issues.
I don't really have a problem with it. I just find it bizarre I guess. As far as hovering goes, what someone does when they hover a helicopter is they hold it steady over a spot on the earth. That is what the word "hover" means in English. The way the pilot knows he is hovering is by watching the earth and adjusting the craft to stay over the same spot. So, by definition, the craft is staying over the same spot. The pilot is just adjusting the controls to ensure that this happens based on what he sees the craft doing relative to the ground.
This is why I said "if you fly 500 miles per hour north for an hour, you land 500 miles north of where you started." It is literally the same thing as hovering being remaining over one spot. You are just stating what the pilot is doing using English words.
If u go back to my first comment I explained pretty clearly but ill be more specific
if the coptor goes straight up in the air 90° straight up
Hovers for hours, no adjustments no controls just stay hovering without any lateral movement..
The coptor after hours of being in the sky in that same position will come back down to the ground in the exact same spot it took off from. Exact same spot.
What I am saying is conventional physics would say "goes straight up in the air 90° straight up" and "Hovers for hours, no adjustments no controls just stay hovering without any lateral movement" are contradictory to each other. Maybe this is obvious to me because I am an engineer. In the real world, the only way something would remain in the same place like that is because it is being controlled, either by a human or a computer. The major disturbances preventing this are the wind and mechanical imbalance in the helicopter, and buried under these is the effect of the earth's rotation.
But what if we make a perfect helicopter that can push straight up in perfect balance with no sideways thrust and run it on a day with absolutely no wind?
In this theoretical situation, then the prediction would be that that such a helicopter would drift slowly due to the earth's rotation. If such a perfect helicopter and windless atmosphere existed, and the copter were flown to a mile of altitude near the equator, then while up there we would expect it to drift westward a bit more than a quarter mile per hour due to to the earth's rotation.
This experiment is pretty much impossible to do though. Any hovering helicopter is being controlled by a pilot or a computerized flight control system.
Really appreciate the response...I get what your saying that it couldn't be preformed to perfection because of outside factors such as wind but i can be preformed and has...consider this...
The earth rotates a full revolution in 24 hours. 1 full circle.
If the coptor takes lift in Florida and hovers for 3 to 4 hours which is possible to do and may experience some draft naturally...the rotation of the planet according to the heliicentric theory would have that helicopter land back down hours later in California or the pacific ocean.
That just doesn't jive my man.
Why would the spin effect the coptor and have it drift with earth as u state?
A helium balloon isn't affected by its spin...it just floots up
Also if what's your saying is true than planes traveling east to west and vice versa should have way different times as one way would be faster traveling with the spin and coming back would take way longer against the spin...we dont see that at all.
Its nice you're open minded to question things. It's called critical thinking
What u said there lacked any all common sense. If something is hovering over a spinning earth than it should not land in the same spot. Simple as...
I'll go with what my eyes, ears and plain old common sense over what a bunch of masons and jesuits changed world wide a couple of centuries ago.
U keep on trusting the word of known liars but again try to be a lil more opened minded. I was guilty of that arrogance myself not to long ago.
OK. I guess I just have a hard time understanding how people have a hard time understanding this. I used to think that flat earth was all fake and there weren't actually people who believed it. I have come around to the idea that some people really do believe it in good faith, and those people are generally allies on most issues.
I don't really have a problem with it. I just find it bizarre I guess. As far as hovering goes, what someone does when they hover a helicopter is they hold it steady over a spot on the earth. That is what the word "hover" means in English. The way the pilot knows he is hovering is by watching the earth and adjusting the craft to stay over the same spot. So, by definition, the craft is staying over the same spot. The pilot is just adjusting the controls to ensure that this happens based on what he sees the craft doing relative to the ground.
This is why I said "if you fly 500 miles per hour north for an hour, you land 500 miles north of where you started." It is literally the same thing as hovering being remaining over one spot. You are just stating what the pilot is doing using English words.
If u go back to my first comment I explained pretty clearly but ill be more specific
if the coptor goes straight up in the air 90° straight up
Hovers for hours, no adjustments no controls just stay hovering without any lateral movement..
The coptor after hours of being in the sky in that same position will come back down to the ground in the exact same spot it took off from. Exact same spot.
How is that possible if the earth is spinning?
What I am saying is conventional physics would say "goes straight up in the air 90° straight up" and "Hovers for hours, no adjustments no controls just stay hovering without any lateral movement" are contradictory to each other. Maybe this is obvious to me because I am an engineer. In the real world, the only way something would remain in the same place like that is because it is being controlled, either by a human or a computer. The major disturbances preventing this are the wind and mechanical imbalance in the helicopter, and buried under these is the effect of the earth's rotation.
In this theoretical situation, then the prediction would be that that such a helicopter would drift slowly due to the earth's rotation. If such a perfect helicopter and windless atmosphere existed, and the copter were flown to a mile of altitude near the equator, then while up there we would expect it to drift westward a bit more than a quarter mile per hour due to to the earth's rotation.
This experiment is pretty much impossible to do though. Any hovering helicopter is being controlled by a pilot or a computerized flight control system.
Really appreciate the response...I get what your saying that it couldn't be preformed to perfection because of outside factors such as wind but i can be preformed and has...consider this...
The earth rotates a full revolution in 24 hours. 1 full circle.
If the coptor takes lift in Florida and hovers for 3 to 4 hours which is possible to do and may experience some draft naturally...the rotation of the planet according to the heliicentric theory would have that helicopter land back down hours later in California or the pacific ocean.
That just doesn't jive my man.
Why would the spin effect the coptor and have it drift with earth as u state?
A helium balloon isn't affected by its spin...it just floots up
Also if what's your saying is true than planes traveling east to west and vice versa should have way different times as one way would be faster traveling with the spin and coming back would take way longer against the spin...we dont see that at all.