Cool, so just die already. Death is salvation, so why not expedite it? Either your submission is meaningless (because the physical world doesn’t matter) or it matters and your submission is meaningless because absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you.
You know, I’ve never understood that. Is it a sin (suicide) to refuse medical treatment so that you die more quickly for the purpose of joining Christ? That’s an active role taken in the decision. Does it count? I long for death because I have no interest in living anymore. If I actively stop taking care of my body, is that suicide, even though I’m not jumping off a bridge? Why should I want to remain here when, again, absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you?
Cool, so just die already. Death is salvation, so why not expedite it?
Friend, you have the wrong idea of salvation. Ephesians 2:1-3 shows salvation as being saved from the death in Adam. In Christ is life, from the dead. The death in Adam is known as Babylon in the book of Revelation.
Either your submission is meaningless (because the physical world doesn’t matter) or it matters and your submission is meaningless because absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you.
I like you. You're arguing a false dichotomy that I don't hold. I submit to Jesus Christ alone. I need no salvation in the carnal world. I'm already standing above it.
Is it a sin (suicide) to refuse medical treatment so that you die more quickly for the purpose of joining Christ?
I'm already in Christ, friend. Medical treatment is fine for the physical body. I look at my spiritual state more than my physical state. When you take care of the spiritual, the physical often follows suit.
I long for death because I have no interest in living anymore.
You've been abused in the carnal world with no help from good spiritual doctrine.
Why should I want to remain here when, again, absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you?
Doctrines become demons of the mind.
You've been given a false gospel. Salvation is in Christ in this life. We are saved from the Adamic curse, we are reconciled to God by faith in the life and reign of Jesus Christ. When you put faith in the Living Lord Jesus Christ you recieve a new creation kingdom in Christ. You recieve the Holy Spirit by faith in the reign of Jesus Christ. You are reconciled to God, by faith, and recieve a very real new creation kingdom in Christ.
Check out my .win site for more information on Living the new creation in Christ. Why not? The false dichotomy is not serving you well.
Yeah, but why live. That’s just it. There is only pain here; there is no pain in Christ. You have to have some reason to remain physical, otherwise there’s no possible justification for continuing to do so when you have the alternative of joining Christ. So why do it. What possible “hope” is there, when no one is coming to save you and everything will only get objectively, metaphysically worse.
My existence is not getting metaphysically worse. Jesus Christ does come to save, to each individual soul, to make a conquering church. The word church means calling out to a new place. Each individual makes up the church in Christ. You're called to a new place in Christ, where the Holy Spirit is now your teacher. That is what faith in Jesus Christ brings.
The conquering church is the purpose of the book of Revelation. You in Christ, overcoming Babylon, is the whole reason for the book. Jesus Christ pays attention to each individual soul by the Holy Spirit that he sends to teach the soul how to live in Christ. That is the true dichotomy of salvation in Christ.
Here's a good verse on the topic,
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Cool, so just die already. Death is salvation, so why not expedite it? Either your submission is meaningless (because the physical world doesn’t matter) or it matters and your submission is meaningless because absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you.
You know, I’ve never understood that. Is it a sin (suicide) to refuse medical treatment so that you die more quickly for the purpose of joining Christ? That’s an active role taken in the decision. Does it count? I long for death because I have no interest in living anymore. If I actively stop taking care of my body, is that suicide, even though I’m not jumping off a bridge? Why should I want to remain here when, again, absolutely nothing is happening and no one is coming to save you?
Friend, you have the wrong idea of salvation. Ephesians 2:1-3 shows salvation as being saved from the death in Adam. In Christ is life, from the dead. The death in Adam is known as Babylon in the book of Revelation.
I like you. You're arguing a false dichotomy that I don't hold. I submit to Jesus Christ alone. I need no salvation in the carnal world. I'm already standing above it.
I'm already in Christ, friend. Medical treatment is fine for the physical body. I look at my spiritual state more than my physical state. When you take care of the spiritual, the physical often follows suit.
You've been abused in the carnal world with no help from good spiritual doctrine.
Doctrines become demons of the mind.
You've been given a false gospel. Salvation is in Christ in this life. We are saved from the Adamic curse, we are reconciled to God by faith in the life and reign of Jesus Christ. When you put faith in the Living Lord Jesus Christ you recieve a new creation kingdom in Christ. You recieve the Holy Spirit by faith in the reign of Jesus Christ. You are reconciled to God, by faith, and recieve a very real new creation kingdom in Christ.
Check out my .win site for more information on Living the new creation in Christ. Why not? The false dichotomy is not serving you well.
Yeah, but why live. That’s just it. There is only pain here; there is no pain in Christ. You have to have some reason to remain physical, otherwise there’s no possible justification for continuing to do so when you have the alternative of joining Christ. So why do it. What possible “hope” is there, when no one is coming to save you and everything will only get objectively, metaphysically worse.
My existence is not getting metaphysically worse. Jesus Christ does come to save, to each individual soul, to make a conquering church. The word church means calling out to a new place. Each individual makes up the church in Christ. You're called to a new place in Christ, where the Holy Spirit is now your teacher. That is what faith in Jesus Christ brings.
The conquering church is the purpose of the book of Revelation. You in Christ, overcoming Babylon, is the whole reason for the book. Jesus Christ pays attention to each individual soul by the Holy Spirit that he sends to teach the soul how to live in Christ. That is the true dichotomy of salvation in Christ.
Here's a good verse on the topic,