The death of Eratosthenes.
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I explained enough about Antarctica. I don't know, can't tell what is true or not. It makes sense because it's obvious when you look for the curve. Or when you measure the angle of the sun from two locations at once, or when you observe the stars remain unchanged for millennium,
The questions tallestskil asked. What is wrong with reading those and thinking about them, and then agreeing that you either know or don't know. Just stubborn? And why have you resisted looking up a "flat earth" proof so adamantly? Are you lazy?
I get that Antarctica is confusing, but, it improbable that I can get there to observe things for certain. That's how this works. I don't "believe" anything. I can only confirm with observation and scienctific method.
You still assume that " flat earth" is a theory or a belief system because you can only understand that because it's where you are now.
You have to process the thought and come up with a question that is genuinely something that you need to understand in order to test a hypothesis.
Again, drop Antarctica and dinosaurs for now, first, you have to be confident that we are not in space on a globe. The. You're ready for thought exercises that cannot be proved.
Like Antarctica or dinos. What we can prove is that it's not a globe, that we are orbiting, that the sun and moon are close and small, that gravity is unessential to understanding why things move up or down,
Then, with real proof, you can go to these impossible to prove ideas like if there is other lands, or who put us here, what are dino bones really, etc
Flat earth is the foundation for anyone serious about conspiracies. If you don't understand it, then you aren't really an intellectual worth talking to when it comes to politics or science
What you said was that you agree with the theory of the ice wall because of a number of other conclusions you can make, and implied that there is something that you saw yourself that helps staple your support of the theory. Whether or not there is an ice wall has nothing to do with a curve, or where stars are in the sky. Those things can exist whether there is an ice wall or not. If those are the conclusions you made that helps solidify your support of the ice wall, then they're not very convincing
I would hardly say you've explained enough. You couldn't drop the topic fast enough.
So what have you confirmed so far, in regards to Antarctica? Anything at all?
Are not my questions, so they aren't the questions I'm choosing to ask.
I'm not sure what you're asking me to look up. It seems you want me to ask a specific question and, at this point, I'm not sure what that question is.
Sure, let me ask you something unrelated to that.
The sun is above us, that much we know. On a flat earth, that would mean that the sun is above us at all times (as opposed to the globe theory, where the earth rotates to face away from the sun every 24 hours).
However, the sun is not visible to us during the nighttime. We know, from the behavior of light, that even if we are not illuminated by a light source we would still be able to see the source (such as seeing a lit candle on the other end of an empty gymnasium, for instance).
Why is it that the sun appears to set, instead of remaining up in our field of view?
...you still there?
Ya. I'm here. Must have missed your reply
Hi! Just pasting a comment hoping to continue the discussion:
What you said was that you agree with the theory of the ice wall because of a number of other conclusions you can make, and implied that there is something that you saw yourself that helps staple your support of the theory. Whether or not there is an ice wall has nothing to do with a curve, or where stars are in the sky. Those things can exist whether there is an ice wall or not. If those are the conclusions you made that helps solidify your support of the ice wall, then they're not very convincing
I would hardly say you've explained enough. You couldn't drop the topic fast enough.
So what have you confirmed so far, in regards to Antarctica?
Are not my questions, so they aren't the questions I'm choosing to ask.
I'm not sure what you're asking me to look up. It seems you want me to ask a specific question and, at this point, I'm not sure what that question is.
Sure, let me ask you something unrelated to that.
The sun is above us, that much we know. On a flat earth, that would mean that the sun is above us at all times (as opposed to the globe theory, where the earth rotates to face away from the sun every 24 hours).
However, the sun is not visible to us during the nighttime. We know, from the behavior of light, that even if we are not illuminated by a light source we would still be able to see the source (such as seeing a lit candle on the other end of an empty gymnasium, for instance).
Why is it that the sun appears to set, instead of remaining up in our field of view?
Thought I replied to this already.
About beers law. How light, no matter how bright cannot travel through a media for infinity. As particles (H2, CO2, water vapor, dust, etc) deflects photons, eventually the light cannot travel through it all, and we see dusk, and eventually darkness.
Think about shinning a powerful flashlight from one side of a large lake to the other, of course people on the other side can see it. But if you put the light under water, and they put their head underwater, they cannot see the light because the water media is too dense and deflects all the light before it reached the other side. Air is the same principle, just much less dense than air. But it's still why light can shine across the world.
Also, the sun is at the same elevation, it just appears to rise and set because of the laws of optical perspective. Stars are the same. They are all circling around in a perfect circle with Polaris always on the center for thousands of years. As stars get father from you they collapse onto the horizon. Just like the sun.
It's really simple.
Agree! I'm very familiar with the concept.
However, when light travels away from the viewer, it simply fades away, growing smaller and smaller until we can no longer see it. The sun does not behave this way.
Precisely! I already confirmed that in the very first sentence of my comment on this. Our line of sight is never interrupted, and yet it appears to drop below the surface of the planet long before it gets smaller/fades as a flashlight would.
Why is that?
The sun goes out of view because collapses into the horizon. It's not as small as a boat or an airplane.
The sun is always about the same distance from you. When it rises, it's roughly 4-5000 miles from your view, when it's above your head, about the same, and when it sets, about the same, so we would not be able to notice small changes in it's size because it's pretty much always the same distance from us while in our view.
Optical range is why it rises and sets. It's just optical laws of lenses and our eyes. So, just to close this point, the sun does behave as we observe, it's local and relatively small compared to the theory, some people have calculated it's about 30 miles in diameter. You would just need strong filter to see the outline of the sun and do some trig. But it's not gonna be super accurate since you are using triangle math on both sides of the sun to determine the diameter. So about 30 miles wide is close enough.
So, about the sun never changing elevation. I don't think you get it still. It doesn't change. You just perceive that it changes due to the laws of optical perspective. I tried to explain this. As objects get farther from you, they collapse onto the horizon. It's very simple, but somehow people don't easily grasp this.
Think about a row of street lamps. You are standing under one of them. You look up 90 degrees to see it. Then the one that is 100 feet away, you do t look up at 90, more like 75. Then the one after that is a bit lower. And on and on until you see about a mile down the road, and the street lamps is so low, it's almost level with the street, you are looking at it nearly 0 degrees above the horizon. And at some point, you can't see the street lamps anymore. The get too far away (plus they are small and not super bright like the sun so, beers law action happens sooner