The death of Eratosthenes.
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Well, observations can only take you so far. I can observe my immediate surroundings to see that there are no mountains, and could reasonably conclude that mountains must not exist. However, as I explore my surroundings, I will go to other regions and see mountains, waterfalls, all sorts of things.
However, even observations I make don't seem to align with the idea of us living on a flat plane.
The math too is another place where I start to see the glaring holes in the flat earth idea.
Have you observed what is supposedly beyond this ice island (I assume you mean Antarctica)? Or are these pictures and videos?
I'm happy to start with Antarctica if you are! I see often that it's actually a surrounding ice wall that circles the rest of the continents. I'm curious what that comes from.
No, the math....and what? What hole are you talking about? Just regurgitating what people tell you is wrong with flat earth?
Observations are all you and I have. You believe people and I don't. I see for myself instead of rely on government to feed me what to think. You think you dont do that when it comes to your "knowing" we are on a globe. But...have you ever even once critically processed why no one has ever been able to prove the Earth is round?
I know, you think they have, but you believe it. You never checked. But ancient Greeks figured out the earth was a globe with sticks and shadows. Nope. That's a hoax that people believe.
start what at Antarctica? Go get a flat earth proof. Just saying Antarctica is too vauge. I don't know what you expect me to do.
Do you just mean you don't understand the flat earth model or ? Which part. Why it has ice around the continents?
I don't know of there is ice. I do know that there is a unbroken treaty between enemies to not allow anyone past the 60th parallel south (without government escorts). The UN protects the penguins despite wars, hardships, and supposed massive reserves of metals and resources. Do you find that wierd? It doesn't prove anything, but it's sus.
How about actually trying to choose a flat earth proof this time. Study a bit, you know
I actually have. I went to a school that afforded a lot of resources to us to test and perform experiments ourselves.
Well, I wrote a bit more after: "I see often that it's actually a surrounding ice wall that circles the rest of the continents. I'm curious what that comes from."
You described Antarctica (or what I believe was you describing Antarctica) as an ice wall. I'm wondering what led you (or others) to the conclusion that there even is an ice wall at all.
Sort of correct. I've seen a number of different flat earth models (most commonly one where Antarctica is an ice wall that surrounds the other continents). What I'm not grasping is where that comes from and how that model came to be.
It's a little odd sure! I hadn't heard about there being a massive supply of resources there though. It doesn't really say anything about the shape of the earth though.
Well, I can't prove there is an ice wall. That's just what was report by general Byrd and the group he brought to explore. The measured distance "around" the island was longer than possible. Supposedly. Its not nessesary to understand Antarctica to disprove the globe.
The ice wall could be something. But for sure there is a government line we can't pass or we will be shot.
I would like to see these models. I've only seen one that makes sense.
There is no experiment to show the earth is a globe. Zero
Right, so, that's certainly part of where my doubts come from, the fact that nobody seems to be able to prove this supposed ice wall. A report by General Byrd is no more or less credible than reports I may find. It's things you've been told, just as things I've been told.
I'm somewhat familiar with his expeditions though, not acutely, something I can certainly read up on myself, but did he ever confirm/report that this ice wall surrounded the entire rest of the continents? I'm aware that he found massive shelves of ice cliffs, but is there anything that reports that this wall surrounds us?
What was the measurement that he gave? Or is there somewhere to find it?
Basically this. Is this the one that made sense to you, or did you have another in mind?