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Recently, there have been many so-called "Catholics" who have pushed for changing Church teachings on the Jews. These Neo-Judaizers misrepresent perennial Church teaching under the pretense of strengthening the relationship between Christians and Jews. In this video we go over their errors. (www.youtube.com)
posted 337 days ago by CrusaderPepe 337 days ago by CrusaderPepe +11 / -3
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– Lord_Cthulhu 0 points 336 days ago +1 / -1

I mean... if by "many Catholics" you mean the entirety of the Church after Vatican I and II then yeah, they 180ed their 2000 year old stance....

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– CrusaderPepe [S] 2 points 336 days ago +2 / -0

Not true. There are MANY orthodox Catholics like myself that oppose these Judaizer errors, and I have proven time and time again that these errors go against official Church teaching.

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– Lord_Cthulhu 1 point 336 days ago +2 / -1

So is CCC 839 and 840 NOT the "teachings of the Catholic Church"???

It seems like you are conflating YOUR belief with the official catechism of the Church, because regardless of theological error, this IS the position of Catholicism.

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– CrusaderPepe [S] 2 points 336 days ago +2 / -0

Here is what these passages say:

'The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.'

First and foremost, the CCC is NOT protected under infallibility (like the Bible and Church Dogmas), and thus, it can contain errors.

Secondly, let's break these passages down.

The first paragraph is true. The Jews received Divine Revelation from God before the Gentiles did. We Christians call this the Old Testament. This paragraph is exegeting Romans 9-11.

The second paragraph is also true. Both Christians and Jews do await the coming of the Messiah (for us Christians, it will be the Second Coming, as the Jews reject that He already came once).

The problem with the CCC (and this is the same thing you can say about Vatican 2's Nostra Aetate) is not that line-by-line it is saying anything incorrect, but rather what it DOESN'T SAY and the CHANGE OF TONE from previous Magisterium.

In other words, it's cherry picking things that are technically true but simultaneously staying away from important truths about the relationship between Christians and Jews that have always been there.

Thus, there are no changes, but rather important omissions of truths that still persist.

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– Lord_Cthulhu 1 point 336 days ago +1 / -0

And thus we have both Rabinic and Pagan worship inside St P n Ps... 😔

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– CrusaderPepe [S] 0 points 336 days ago +1 / -1

Oh, I don't disagree with you there. I am not saying that the hierarchy isn't full of corrupt men. My point, and it still stands, is that the official teaching of the Church stands unaffected, even by these Neo-Judaizers that lie about it.

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– Lord_Cthulhu 1 point 336 days ago +1 / -0

It's essentially impossible to have a religion centered on a man that said God sent him to correct his chosen people embrace the remnants of that corrupted faith...

The most antisemitic thing you can do is keep a Jew from Jesus!

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– MOCKxTHExCROSS -2 points 336 days ago +1 / -3

jesus was a jew

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– CrusaderPepe [S] 2 points 336 days ago +3 / -1

Yes. That influenced the Protestants in the early 20th Century, though. Unfortunately, since Vatican II, the dispensationalist nonsense has infiltrated the Catholic Church.

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