This is why the jews are banning TikTok.
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Atheists claim the Bible narrative is a hoax so it can't be used as proof.
You can and you'll find they're not the same people. They may have similar genes but the tribes don't exist anymore and the covenant God made with Israel (Abraham and the jewish people) was with those tribes. That's why the new covenant was between God and the people within the Church (the new Israel, Christ's Kingdom) and not with the jews.
You're seriously stupid. There's no hypocrisy in my position - you conflate your views with mine. I never said the land belongs to whoever was there first. I don't care about historical claims because everyone could make such claims. My problem with the state of Israel is that there were people living there when it was astroturfed and it was done in a hypocritical way after WWII when the powers that won instigated yet another conflict that was unnecessary in a time when the world has moved past colonialism and conquest. They did it because they had to serve their zionist masters.
Little do you know that I'm from the region and know the balkan history much better than you. Macedonians make endless idiotic claims and no one outside of that small country believes them or takes them seriously.
Ok, I'll try stooping to your level for a second here, slowboy.
The Bible isn't just a historic document - it's divine revelation, a religious text. Tell me how an atheist, a person who doesn't believe in divine revelation, could determine which parts of the Bible are true and which are make belief? Same goes for all mythological narratives. For hundreds of years people thought the Trojan war is entirely fictional.
I don't believe might makes right because I'm Christian. Was it right for muslims to conquer half of the world at one time? I don't think so but they did and no one had a say back then. Is it right for the zionists to take over Palestine like they did? I don't think so but they did and people call them out. Again, It's generally agreed that the middle ages was a different time where conquest was seen as perfectly normal. That's not the case in post WWII world where the whole war was sold as morally justified defense of the peaceful democratic West (in league with the socialists) against evil Hitler's conquest of the world. Then shortly after the war they proceeded to conquer Palestine to make a home for the poor victimized jews. The same double standard is evident in the treatment of Russia's invasion in Ukraine and Israel's genocide of Palestinians. This is hypocrisy.
What does that prove? That jews were there at the time those were written. It doesn't prove any Biblical right they have over that land as it being given to them by God. But I consent that it can be objectively established that a jewish kingdom existed thousands of years ago.
I never said I believe this bs because apparently I'm aware this principle has been contradicted multiple times since the end of WWII. What I said is it's hypocritical for the zionist powers to shower us with such propaganda while making conquests like the establishment of Israel. These are their definitions and their reading of history, not mine. Are you seriously that stupid not to see I'm doing internal critique of their narrative in our little argument? I don't believe morals change or evolve - right has always been right and vice versa.
The zionist powers paradigm is what you'll find in the history textbooks and it goes like what I said before - "SHTF during WWII and we need to create a new world order that will prevent this from ever happening again. That's why we'll establish the UN and other transnational institutions that will keep the peace and civility in this new world". All the normies believe this. This is what they've been taught about XXc history - "the bad militarist guys were defeated and we lived happily ever after in our free market globo-homo liberal democratic brave new world".
They are still there though. It's right for them to defend their home. But if the kikes slaughter them all and 2000 years later Palestinians come back and go "you know, we were here before and you conquered us so we want the land back" they can fuck off because making claims on a land you inhabited 2000 years ago, along with many other peoples before and after you, is retarded.