From St. John's 2nd letter he says:
"For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an antichrist."
Such "mini" antichrists who deny Christ and practice deceit are the likes of Justin Trudeau, or Gavin Newsome, or Ben Shapiro. I am sure you could name more historically.
Eventually, we'll get the big antichrist as per Revelation. But the word "anti" means against, so anyone who works against Christ, and uses deceit and seduction is an antichrist.
It's actually based on the life, words, and deeds of the Man, Jesus of Nazareth. The Jewish Bible just happens to have predicted and promised His coming. But where's the delusion? The eyewitnesses to Jesus's ministry? The early church which was taught by those eyewitnesses? The modern church that believes the written accounts of Jesus and the expositions of His earliest followers? Which part of Christianity is a delusion, and when did that delusion come into play?
That's no demonstration of any god at all lol. It's the life of a man.
Can you tell me what would be different in meaning if i did the same as jesus without supernatural beliefs?
First of all, I didn't even bring up the topic of God; I merely pointed out that Christianity is based on Jesus and not the Jewish Bible. But you apparently answered my question as to the delusional part. Your answer appears to be "all of it." Fair enough; that is an answer.
My reply would require a bit more probing of your reason for objecting to this premise that Jesus is the divine nature in human form. Is this because you do not believe in the divine person aka God? Is this because you do not believe the divine person has the ability to inject Himself into the human condition? Is this because you believe in God and that God could certainly do so but that you do not believe that Jesus provides enough evidence that His claims of divinity are true?
Where do we fall on that spectrum?
Give me proof without quoting the manmade bible then. Should be easy.
Can you give me proof this is not just a writing in man made text?
Can you give me proof this is real beyond what is claimed in a man made text?
I'll wait the proof you aren't just been made schizophrenic by a man made text.
Show me proof of god without man made archifacts.
Also define god without a definition from a man made text. Should be easy if you know the guy.
"Man made" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting in this reply.
Prove absolutely anything without any "man made" text of any kind. (E.g.; a diary is a man-made text, a record of events, and is worthy of consideration even though it is "man made." The Bible is a compilation of similar first-hand accounts) All of history is man made. Every scientific paper and discovery is man made. The language that we speak is man made. You've just eliminated any and every form of evidence with that frankly ridiculous limitation.
Your first response in this thread, to which I replied, alleged that Christianity was based on a "horrible disfiguration of the jewish bible." But it turns out that was not your problem with it at all, because that would have implied that you believe the "jewish bible" was legitimate and that Christianity was illegitimate based on incongruity with the "jewish bible." But that was not true at all, even though for some reason you never criticized the "jewish bible" for its God but instead reserved your anti-God ire for Christianity. That's why I needed clarification in order to address your issues.
But your argument as now presented is nothing more than incredulity and brick-wall refusal to honestly consider actual evidence.
I do not believe you are a serious person, and that makes this entire conversation an exercise in utter futility.
I'll be more than happy to debate and to share my actual, undeniable experiences and my thoughts & ideas with anybody who has even a modicum of honesty or curiosity, but I am disappointed with the hostility encountered here.
Can you tell me how you plan to go about healing people, turning water into wine, walking on water, feeding 5,000 with a basket of loaves and fishes, and rising from the dead? When you answer this, then I'll tell you how I would address those events without supernatural beliefs.
I don't. Never pretended i did. Duh.