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“STEM is the only curriculum worth supporting. The Liberal Arts are bullshit. Today, bridges fall down because standards have been lowered to allow the morons to squeak through. Then the political class has designed the employment and contracting rules so that the inept aren’t discriminated against. The result is that even engineering is infested with people with liberal arts IQ’s.”

But that’s my point exactly.

Bridges falling down, lowered standards, the inclusion of the inept, debased engineering, a malign and incompetent political class – all of that derives from subversion of the Liberal Arts. Subjectivism, Equalitarianism, Globalism, Jewish Nepotism – these are all bad ideas justified by the debased Liberal Arts.

White male engineers won’t survive the Liberal Arts subversion. As you yourself say. The fact that bridges fall down, planes crash, trains don’t run on time and open-source is eradicated will be nothing compared to the need to uphold the ideas of equality, diversity and inclusion that come from the subverted Liberal Arts schools of today.

Engineers must get it through their heads – things actually working does not supersede the imperatives of bad ideas. Utopianism beats Optimisation every time. Politics beats engineering imperatives almost every time.

How many Aaron Swartz’s is it going to take for engineers to start understanding that wider civics matter? Aaron Swartz was more intelligent then you by standard deviations. He killed himself because he didn’t get it.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/after-governance-breakdown-node-js-leaders-fight-for-its-survival/

Open Source isn’t going to survive, because technical prowess is superseded by civics. If Engineers knew how to argue their case politically and rhetorically, the entire structure of open source architecture wouldn’t be getting destroyed by trannies and faggots and dykes. You comprehend this?

Engineers, honestly, can sometimes be the worst.

“Learning a language is done by every child, so I fail to see that as being a difficult hurdle. Everyone does it. Learning Greek and Latin during any time in the last thousand years would be an incredible waste of time except for the local Greeks and the pedophile priests in the Catholic Church.”

Learning a language aged 0-3 is not the same as learning it as an adult. Latin and Greek are the languages of western civilization – learning them is never a waste of time. C S Lewis and Tolkien both talked about how learning a language makes it harder to debase the set of ideas indigenous within that language. That’s why Tolkien was so upset at the removal of Latin from the Catholic mass.

If all children were forced to learn Latin and Greek today, the debasement of the ideas expressed in Latin and Greek would be much harder to achieve. I’ll give you a concrete example – take the ideas of masculinity and indeed engineering in the Aeneid and Homer. Translated they don’t have the same impact. In the original language we really get the essence of ancient Rome and Greece where Patriarchy, bronze age values and martial prowess were celebrated not disdained.

It is impossible to protest a patriarchy in Latin or Greek.

You need to travel Europe and actually stand in the Basilicae of the ancient western empires. They’re incredible engineering feats, but they’re also the West’s spiritual and intellectual home.

Good engineering needs the Liberal Arts, or it’s just a tool for the creation of ugliness and oppression.

“Whatever Aristotle, Plato and the rest of the supposed philosophers knew is also known today plus, plus, plus.”

No they aren’t. This is an assumption by engineers who take as given all manner of principles and axioms that are necessary for engineering. Aristotle today is almost completely subjugated to much worse and more recent philosophers. Engineering itself is based on a set of premises and predicates that are being steadily undermined. Even the empirical world view is today under attack.

“The universities were inhabited by the genuinely rich elite or those that had a rich sponsor. Some may have been intelligent or even brilliant, but the bulk were rich kids whose parents finagled their progeny into these institutions the same as today”

That’s true to an extent. But they were ‘our’ rich kids – kids who actually had a connection by blood and soil to the nations that funded those universities.

The scandals you refer to are just Jews engaging in their rich and wonderful culture. It wasn’t always thus – not anywhere near to the same degree.

“Graduating with a basket weaving degree is easy, as the engineering flunkies do it all the time. Even having an admissions criteria for a basket weaving curriculum is just posturing. Anyone with any intelligence knows that any fool can get a nonsense degree in English Literature, Philosophy, Political Science, etc because all they have to do is learn to have the proper OPINIONS as there is no actual knowledge required.”

That’s true today.

The point I’m making is that it wasn’t true in the past.

Liberal Arts is about what is saying is good and bad and true or false or real or unreal. That’s very powerful – as you yourself observe.

When are Engineers going to learn that their ability to swing a spanner or throw numbers and letters together to make things do things is going to be completely irrelevant to a society that doesn’t have the will to exist or believe in objective truth or espouses that everybody is the same in kind, or that is ruled by capricious liars?

When are Engineers also going to learn that the ability to execute a function means nothing without overall direction? I see it all the time, including in my own businesses. Autistic engineers who are good at making a component of a widget who are totally lost without someone telling them when to do it and oblivious to the overall scheme of it.

Even in my fathers time, the number of people who went to university was fractional compared to today. He got his Liberal Arts degree just before it got totally debased, when you had to be very high IQ to receive it. He’s as a result done very, very well for himself, and he did it without any connections.

I don’t disagree with you about the parlous state of the Liberal Arts today and the superiority of engineering today.

But I am warning you, that if we don’t reclaim the Liberal Arts exactly the same thing that happened to Liberal Arts will happen in the field of engineering. It won’t be as easy, but it will be inexolerable.

For a start, the people who are actually good at engineering, especially creative engineering, won’t even be permitted to take the courses, and the courses will come with a special sautee of cultural sensitivity training.