Lol, that commenter is funny. Jesus was never a real person. If he was, he would have been totally black, like all other hebrews of the time. If this triggers you, figure out why
Sorry. I think we have collecticely created jesus, so he is real. I have no desire to live a degenate lifestyle, i dont question the historicity of jesus so i can ignore common sense and basic morality.
But as a real historical person, the historical records from others at the time dont mention him.
Sorry. I think we have collecticely created jesus, so he is real
You can make up what you like, but many serious (non-Christian) historians disagree.
I have no desire to live a degenate lifestyle
Not* every sin manifests in the same way. An unregenerate man can look at the homosexual and say "see I'm not a homosexual, I'm already perfect", look at the rapists and say "see I'm not a rapist, I'm already perfect" but this is conceit.
There’s plenty of research on Jesus either being totally embellished by fanatical messianic Jews (ie the authors of the New Testament) or being a total fabrication based on Philo’s philosophy.
Your enemy is what has become "jews"
The white satan worshipers from the lands that are now modern day ukraine that hi-jacked the israelite history as their own.
They were utterly destroyed by the turks ages ago. Makes me happy. fuck their race
I actually decided that doing historical research on the topic of a guy who believers say categorically existed was better than trusting a bunch of messianic jew gospel writers. But hey, if a few disputed sentences from Tacitus or Josephus or Pliny the Younger, and a couple of amulets that the totally-never-corrupt Catholic Church says are totally legit, are enough for you, more power to you man.
Your religion is literally Abrahamic. It’s literally born out of Judaism. Your “god” comes directly from the line of David. He’s the “king of the Jews”. You worship Yahweh. You worship the “god of Israel”. The entire New Testament fulfills Old Testament, Jewish prophecies, therefore validating them.
The only way it could be more Jewish is it it was Judaism itself. But keep telling yourself I’m the one believing Jewish lies.
Thanks man, i love me a good religious christian. They are good people, mostly. But ya, in practice, they believe. They arent sticklers for historical sources. Whatever though, its good for them them, be happy.
Judah is just a tiny branch that got way too much attention.
you literally didn't address my point. the Shroud was proven authentic forensically, therefore Jesus most definitely existed and was killed as described, whether you believe he had any supernatural origins and whatnot doesn't matter as far as history is concerned.
Right, you believe in a magic cloth. Hey man, plenty of scientists say Covid was legit, so there’s totally no way corrupt organizations can fake science huh?
No, it turns out there are just some terribly written books on the topic that have been proven as lies. See Chris White or Keith Thompson's documentaries on the topic. Even secular historians laugh at the claims.
These New Age authors even try to claim ancient gods were "crucified" hundreds of years before Romans invented it. So it is nonsense once examined by scholars.
There is no contemporary scholarship claiming Jesus didn't exist at all. Instead there is scholarship confirming his life, both Roman and Jewish sources who hated him when writing about early Christians they don't claim he was made up. Romans said he was crucified.
Reporting on Emperor Nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}
Now ask yourself, why are so many people blatantly lying about Jesus' existence on Earth? Strange isn't it?
They are the earliest non Christian sources writing about the early Christians. Tacitus for instance.
Here is more from a historians answer comparing Alexander the Great and Jesus
The earliest extant biography of Alexander the Great was written 300 years after his death. The earliest extant biography of Jesus was written 40 years after his death, followed by three more independent biographies within 50–60 years of his death.
If you read anything on the life of Alexander, you will find that the historians who specialize in the subject have no problem mining the extant biographies for intimate details about his life, such as his favorite food or his feelings about his mother.
And
The birthplace of Julius Caesar, for example, appears in a single primary source written 175 years after his death, and that is accepted without controversy.
Saying "apparently this" and posting an entire website isn't an argument.
But let me give you another argument. 1st century Roman scholars were able to understand that Christians weren't going to their deaths over some person they recently just made up. Jews who hated Christ didn't argue that either. Yet fallen man 2000 years later insists this is the case because they wish it so.
And as mentioned earlier, modern fallen man have to create fictitious re-writings of ancient mythology to claim Jesus was a copy of them (see Zeitgeist and their sources). Why do they need to lie? Because the truth isn't on their side.
Lol, that commenter is funny. Jesus was never a real person. If he was, he would have been totally black, like all other hebrews of the time. If this triggers you, figure out why
found the black hebrew israelite
Its'a me'a, Mario!
No reason to think Jesus wasn't historical. Except perhaps, wanting to deny the gospels and the truths therein.
Sorry. I think we have collecticely created jesus, so he is real. I have no desire to live a degenate lifestyle, i dont question the historicity of jesus so i can ignore common sense and basic morality.
But as a real historical person, the historical records from others at the time dont mention him.
You can make up what you like, but many serious (non-Christian) historians disagree.
Not* every sin manifests in the same way. An unregenerate man can look at the homosexual and say "see I'm not a homosexual, I'm already perfect", look at the rapists and say "see I'm not a rapist, I'm already perfect" but this is conceit.
So a lot of historian agree and a lot of historians dont agree. Cant we look at the source that is evidence that jesus was mentioned during his life?
An unregenerate man is conceit? Dont get that last part....
There’s plenty of research on Jesus either being totally embellished by fanatical messianic Jews (ie the authors of the New Testament) or being a total fabrication based on Philo’s philosophy.
guess you bought the jewish lies about the Shroud of Turin
Your enemy is what has become "jews" The white satan worshipers from the lands that are now modern day ukraine that hi-jacked the israelite history as their own.
They were utterly destroyed by the turks ages ago. Makes me happy. fuck their race
if only. in reality they have an iron grip over Eastern Europe, especially Chabad Lubavitch.
Ya, but way back was a slaughtering. Sure they have control today and do far more worse than slaughter.
I actually decided that doing historical research on the topic of a guy who believers say categorically existed was better than trusting a bunch of messianic jew gospel writers. But hey, if a few disputed sentences from Tacitus or Josephus or Pliny the Younger, and a couple of amulets that the totally-never-corrupt Catholic Church says are totally legit, are enough for you, more power to you man.
Your religion is literally Abrahamic. It’s literally born out of Judaism. Your “god” comes directly from the line of David. He’s the “king of the Jews”. You worship Yahweh. You worship the “god of Israel”. The entire New Testament fulfills Old Testament, Jewish prophecies, therefore validating them.
The only way it could be more Jewish is it it was Judaism itself. But keep telling yourself I’m the one believing Jewish lies.
Thanks man, i love me a good religious christian. They are good people, mostly. But ya, in practice, they believe. They arent sticklers for historical sources. Whatever though, its good for them them, be happy.
Judah is just a tiny branch that got way too much attention.
you literally didn't address my point. the Shroud was proven authentic forensically, therefore Jesus most definitely existed and was killed as described, whether you believe he had any supernatural origins and whatnot doesn't matter as far as history is concerned.
Right, you believe in a magic cloth. Hey man, plenty of scientists say Covid was legit, so there’s totally no way corrupt organizations can fake science huh?
what magic?
and while you're busy strawmanning, I'll ask: will you denounce the talmud?
No, it turns out there are just some terribly written books on the topic that have been proven as lies. See Chris White or Keith Thompson's documentaries on the topic. Even secular historians laugh at the claims.
These New Age authors even try to claim ancient gods were "crucified" hundreds of years before Romans invented it. So it is nonsense once examined by scholars.
There is no contemporary scholarship claiming Jesus didn't exist at all. Instead there is scholarship confirming his life, both Roman and Jewish sources who hated him when writing about early Christians they don't claim he was made up. Romans said he was crucified.
Oh yeah? Let’s see the contemporary sources during Jesus’s era who wrote about him, show me your evidence.
Now ask yourself, why are so many people blatantly lying about Jesus' existence on Earth? Strange isn't it?
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17187
Bangarang! Slapped silly and speachless.
They are the earliest non Christian sources writing about the early Christians. Tacitus for instance.
Here is more from a historians answer comparing Alexander the Great and Jesus
And
Appearently, this: https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17187
But i dont see why i should trust historical analysis. I know man is corruptable, like science and historical records
Saying "apparently this" and posting an entire website isn't an argument.
But let me give you another argument. 1st century Roman scholars were able to understand that Christians weren't going to their deaths over some person they recently just made up. Jews who hated Christ didn't argue that either. Yet fallen man 2000 years later insists this is the case because they wish it so.
And as mentioned earlier, modern fallen man have to create fictitious re-writings of ancient mythology to claim Jesus was a copy of them (see Zeitgeist and their sources). Why do they need to lie? Because the truth isn't on their side.