Ah crap, Earth actually is a spinning ball
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Some people have used trigonometry to estimate its size and distance. I think they came out with 2 or 3 thousand miles high and around 38 miles wide. Biblical cosmology describes the sun/moon/stars as contained within the firmament, not under it. If this is true then I imagine a dome firmament would have a significant effect on the light distribution. It might be like asking me to measure the size and location of a rainbow, which is impossible to do. But the moon does seem to emit its own light which is cold and has a negative charge, while the sun's light is hot and has a positive charge. I believe this is also the true cause of the tides as water (especially salt water) is magnetic.
Here is an interesting clip I found of a scientist claiming the moon is plasma. https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eNy1PpjDEs/
Can you provide anything in the way of proof, other than the fact that it fits with the flat earth theory?
The thing I see flat earthers do all the time is that they seem to work backwards from a flat earth conclusion, and then come up with theories to explain away the discrepancies with observable natural phenomena that would be violated by a flat earth model.
The last time a flat earther explained to me why the moon is occluded by a horizon, and I presented follow up scenarios that contradicted the original explanation, he dropped the bomb on me that he didn't even believe the moon to be a physical object as we know it, so my scenarios were not a valid way to disprove the flat earth model.
And that's pretty telling when you get there, because you find out that these people not only think the earth is flat, but they have also adopted god knows how many other beliefs to make the flat earth model work. And they never tell you those beliefs up front. It's never "hey the earth is flat, and the moon is a 38 mile wide ball of plasma, and the sun is a sphere of golden snakes". It's always "the earth is flat and lol at you for not knowing about the golden snakes, take this bitchute link and go educate yourself".
It feels very disingenuous. Usually when people have a hard-to-swallow theory that they're trying to convince me of, they do their best to explain it carefully and methodically, not by finding the quickest way to "gotcha" me out of the conversation.
I get that these things need to be true to make the flat earth model work. But that doesn't mean they are.
First let me say that I respect the way you are approaching this. You seem to be very rational and intellectually honest. And I think I understand where you are coming from.
I think coming up with Flat Earth explanations for all sorts of phenomenon is the wrong way to go. Let's stick with two of the most fundamental claims that main stream science tells us. The earth is a sphere of 24,901 miles in circumference, and our earth is spinning and orbiting simultaneously. If either of those claims can be dismantled, then your view of cosmology should be reassessed completely.
Also not that I want to make a big deal about it, but I think the burden of proof is on the globies to prove those claims. No human can perceive the motion of the earth with their own senses. We can't even perceive it with the Michelson Morley experiment to measure the speed of light in various directions to prove our motion. And even Steal-the-bike-Tyson admits the earth looks flat from red bull jump altitude. No child would think we live on a spinning globe unless they were programmed to think do.
So if you are genuinely curious, I would focus on the 2 claims I mentioned first, rather than what flat earthers claim for various phenomenon. I'm kinda buzzed at the moment but I'll try to address any follow up you have tomorrow. Cheers!
For all intents and purposes, yes absolutely. The entire field would need to be reassessed. Those two claims are big pillars of the foundation.
I admit I don't really have a good reason to believe it other than being told that it was the truth. But the reason I choose to believe it is because of the amount of stuff that has been built ontop of that foundation over the years. Many inventions and instruments depend so fundamentally on those numbers being accurate. It's like a good track record.
It's similar reasoning to why I refuse the covid vaccine but am ok with other vaccines. Those other vaccines have been tested on people, a lot. There's evidence that they work, even though I can't prove to you (nor myself) that the chemicals they claim are in those vaccine are actually in there. It could be sterilized donkey piss, I wouldn't know.
Same thing for the globe theory. I've seen good evidence, but no proof. Regarding the two claims, I'd sincerely like to hear counter evidence, or theories thereof. I'm open to it. What'chu got?
This was a really interesting conversation you two had, but it just seems to have ended. I signed up for an account just to see where this would go...if you dont mind, i would like to summarize the situation.
there are two ways to go, when it comes to previously mentioned pillars, "" The earth is a sphere of 24,901 miles in circumference, and our earth is spinning and orbiting simultaneously. ""
option 1, test one of these. you'd have to use method; create a hypothesis, design an experiment, test, collect, analyze findings and draw a conclusion. and even then, you could be wrong.
option 2, which is what you went with, "a lot of other technology is based on those two *pilars *holding true, without those pilars, then entire industries, high tech equipment, and astrological societies could not exist....right?
The thing that got me, was OP's other post today: https://conspiracies.win/p/16b6RhRxJx/more-bloopers-in-space/c/ I actually watched all 122 bloopers; several i went back and rewatched a few times.
The logic i will use here is similar to your vaccine reasoning, but in my case, i rejected all vaccines upon researching the Covid Vaccine.
we all witnessed fake science driven by mass formation psychosis. Governments and media around the world were in Lock-step to promote Big Pharma's and WHO messaging, safe and effective. right? I had trusted them until then. And when i see a lie that big, i think, why should i trust anything coming from Big Medicine. And i begun the researching the evidence against germ theory, and realized its all a fucking hoax. all of viruses. insane level information suppression, MSM blackout, medical schools pulling funding, firing professors, the whole nine yards. So, fuck all vaccines, i'm not an anti-vaxxer, people can do what they want...but vaccines are pointless, they have never worked and all the studies are not in lock-step, but you have to read investigative science journalism because its too much to point to any one study and see the entire picture.
But i digress...the point is, I saw the lengths WHO, WEF. Governments, Big Pharma, MSM and elites went to sell a lie and i started digging.
And now i see this NASA bloopers, 122 clips of undeniable, empirical evidence that shows the space station is a lie. if it was real, why would they go to such lengths to lie? if it doesn't matter what shape it is, why create such an elaborate hoax to make it appear the earth is planet resolving around a star in a universe trillions of years old. if just one of those pillars is not true, then all of that falls down like a house of cards.
I think we have no sane option other than option 1, this is too big to leave up to a one represents all fallacy.
We should be able to test if the world is spinning and orbiting simultaneously. I think that will be an easy one to test. anyone else following this tread? got any ideas how we can prove it with math or observations?
there is the rotational velocity of an person on the surface of earth, and there orbital velocity of the same person in earths orbit. in a day, the orbit direction would be almost strait, the path taken over a year is HUGE oval, but in one day, its pretty much strait line. and the rotational velocity of earth is the same, but the direction changes every 12 hours; half of the day, the surface of earth is rotating with the orbit, and half the day, the earth surface is rotating against earths orbit.
law of constant velocity (the earth spins around every 24 hours) would apply that acceleration and deceleration would have to occur.
so you could add the velocity of rotation and orbit and compare it to the orbit minus the velocity of orbit, to see the delta. I wonder what the percentage is...and how sensitive is the equipment would need to be to detect that change.
I know i cant be the first person to think of this design for an experiment to test if we orbit or not. if there is no change in velocity, no daily acceleration or deceleration, then its impossible that we are rotating or orbiting.
same experiment would work if talking about the moon. the moon orbits the earth like clockwork, so it too would need to accelerate and decelerate relative to earths orbital velocity.