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posted 2 years ago by Globeheads 2 years ago by Globeheads +14 / -6
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– Miskish 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

science cannot be proved anymore than your own perspective. but we must assume in order to understand, and we must understand to survive.

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– jack445566778899 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

science cannot be proved

This is not exactly right. It is true that proof, outside of mathematics, is subjective, provisional, and historically doomed to refutation - but the scientific method is ALL about proving to the best of our abilities.

Experiment is how we prove that our scientific understandings for the cause of phenomena are correct. It isn’t truth, but it is the best we’ve got - and the closest thing (in my estimation) to proof that exists.

Sadly the vast majority of people are scientifically illiterate due to poor education, and so do not actually know what an experiment is or how the scientific method works or why. To make matters worse, they learn and use incorrect colloquial definitions for the vernacular (experiment, theory, hypothesis, etc.) so they can’t even have a discussion, let alone practice or study science - even if they wanted to :(

Assumption has no place in science whatsoever outside of hypothesis generation - which exists only for experimental validation/refutation (ideally). Science has no place for belief/assumption (it’s called bias, and is a four letter word).

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– Miskish 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Are perceptions bias? Also, please don't misunderstand, I agree with science. I am actually looking to pursue a career in mechanical engineering (or pure mathematics, because of proof as you mentioned). I believe that science done properly should be believed, but science, as far as observability, struggles to compete with propaganda, and is oftentimes difficult to differentiate. I agree with you in all that you have stated, I just wish that people would use commonsense more than their eyes and ears.

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– jack445566778899 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Are perceptions bias?

Generally, yes. Perceptions are subjective, and subjectivity is bias. Science is the attempt to suppress that inherent human quality and study objectively.

Also, please don't misunderstand, I agree with science

Likewise, i also appreciate and value science as a method of learning about the world and gaining new understanding and capacity/ability.

I believe that science done properly should be believed

Science should NEVER be believed. Belief has no place in science whatsoever - that’s what religion is for. Belief is the enemy of knowledge and objective study of any kind.

One of the best things about science is that it requires no (and is, in fact, significantly hindered by) belief!

and is oftentimes difficult to differentiate

If you don’t know what science is, you can never differentiate between it and pseudoscience/religion/mythology presented under its guise. This is the purpose of the ubiquitous scientific illiteracy we suffer from.

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– Miskish 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I disagree with your first point. Perspective is not bias, it forms bias. Second point we both agree upon. Third point, I didn't clarify what I meant properly. I meant that science done right should be agreed with but still questioned in a likewise scientific manner. I confused this with belief as they are similar in conceptual structure. Agreed. I sometimes don't communicate what I think well with words, as concepts can be stated many ways incorrectly, and but few correctly.

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