This is why I am asking. To me it sounds like you believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
Are you aware that some nations, including Jews still use calendar with dates counted from Creation? There are different calendars exists in the world. Some count years from Creation, some from Christ, some from move of Mohammed into Mecca and so on. There even at least two calendars used now that count years from Christ - Julian and Georgian.
Obviously, people who copy that chronicles at the times before Christ could not use Christian calendar dating, because Christ was not even born yet. In the most ancient texts just "N years ago" used. Chroniclers had to somehow bring that all to some common calendar to avoid mess. Traditionally, Russian chroniclers of last 1000 years used dates from Creation for events before Christ and Julian calendar for dates later.
That does not mean that these people were Russian.
You still does not define what do you mean under "Russian". Is it so hard to you to be specific?
What made these people Russian in your opinion.
Blood.
Interesting, do you have questions on that matter about Jews, Armenians, Indians, Chineese and so on? Or your question about Russians only for whatever reason?
You know, there exists science named anthropology, that studies the development of humanity over the millenias. Today they have many new tools to find out paths of development of different nations (from latin natio - people of one ancestry). Check that, it is interesting.
So, do you believe that it's an accurate count and creation happened at that point in the past?
It does not matter what point in time some choose as a zero. It does not matter is that point real or mythical. The only thing that is important is that everybody who use that calendar agree to use the same point as a base.
You are the one claiming that Russians existed 4500 years ago. It's up to you to provide evidence and definition, not me.
Again and again. Are you retarded or what? "Russians" in English could mean ethnicity or citizenship. If you are not aware, it is absolutely different things. You continuously deny to clarify what exactly you mean saying "Russians". Why? What could be the problem with that for you?
I mean etnicity when I talk about Russians, because citizenship means nothing.
So from the ethnic point of view, yes, Russians perfectly existed thousands years ago with their own settlements, language, culture and genetic.
From the citizenship point of view, no there was no definite country named "Russia" in 2409BC, since Russians lived far from others and there was no need to define any distinct borders at the time.
As a kind of state Russia(Rus) was formed around 1500-1800 years ago with centers in Novgorod, Kiev, Rostov, Suzdal and others. There still was no any real equipped borders at the time, but all the land that contained all that Russian towns already accounted as belonging to Russians. Russian towns ruled by dukes who often have tensions with each other, but easily united against external threat.
It does not matter what point in time some choose as a zero. It does not matter is that point real or mythical. The only thing that is important is that everybody who use that calendar agree to use the same point as a base.
Sure, but what do you believe?
So. Show how there were Russians 4500 years ago. Your claim. You show the evidence.
This is why I am asking. To me it sounds like you believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
Of course there were people realted to today's Russians arpund 4500 years ago. You know how procreation works do you?
That does not mean that these people were Russian.
What made these people Russian in your opinion.
Are you aware that some nations, including Jews still use calendar with dates counted from Creation? There are different calendars exists in the world. Some count years from Creation, some from Christ, some from move of Mohammed into Mecca and so on. There even at least two calendars used now that count years from Christ - Julian and Georgian.
Obviously, people who copy that chronicles at the times before Christ could not use Christian calendar dating, because Christ was not even born yet. In the most ancient texts just "N years ago" used. Chroniclers had to somehow bring that all to some common calendar to avoid mess. Traditionally, Russian chroniclers of last 1000 years used dates from Creation for events before Christ and Julian calendar for dates later.
You still does not define what do you mean under "Russian". Is it so hard to you to be specific?
Blood.
Interesting, do you have questions on that matter about Jews, Armenians, Indians, Chineese and so on? Or your question about Russians only for whatever reason?
You know, there exists science named anthropology, that studies the development of humanity over the millenias. Today they have many new tools to find out paths of development of different nations (from latin natio - people of one ancestry). Check that, it is interesting.
Exactly my point. Are you dense? So, do you believe that it's an accurate count and creation happened at that point in the past?
What? You are the one claiming that Russians existed 4500 years ago. It's up to you to provide evidence and definition, not me.
It does not matter what point in time some choose as a zero. It does not matter is that point real or mythical. The only thing that is important is that everybody who use that calendar agree to use the same point as a base.
Again and again. Are you retarded or what? "Russians" in English could mean ethnicity or citizenship. If you are not aware, it is absolutely different things. You continuously deny to clarify what exactly you mean saying "Russians". Why? What could be the problem with that for you?
I mean etnicity when I talk about Russians, because citizenship means nothing.
So from the ethnic point of view, yes, Russians perfectly existed thousands years ago with their own settlements, language, culture and genetic.
From the citizenship point of view, no there was no definite country named "Russia" in 2409BC, since Russians lived far from others and there was no need to define any distinct borders at the time.
As a kind of state Russia(Rus) was formed around 1500-1800 years ago with centers in Novgorod, Kiev, Rostov, Suzdal and others. There still was no any real equipped borders at the time, but all the land that contained all that Russian towns already accounted as belonging to Russians. Russian towns ruled by dukes who often have tensions with each other, but easily united against external threat.
Sure, but what do you believe?
So. Show how there were Russians 4500 years ago. Your claim. You show the evidence.