Optical Occultation of the Sun
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This video is wrong about the cause of setting and rising (occultation by/with the horizon)
Although perspective and angular resolution certainly play a role in the optical illusion, the chief cause of setting/rising is the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light from distant sources to curve convexly towards the surface.
If it were “all perspective” as it is popularly advertised by the flat earth psyop, then the sun (and boats etc.) would appear to shrink to a dot and then disappear. This is essentially a strawman that would-be-flat-earth-researchers are intended to swallow and repeat so that their opponents (the flat earth psyop) can make them look stupid when they repeat the false claim.
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yes, it definitely not "all" perspective, as the occultation of the 2d background by the 3 d foreground is not addressed by some because the how and why of the earth being a plane of existence inside the magnetic vortex surrounding it is difficult enough concept for most to wrap their head around and there is a need to "keep it simple" so to speak, but that doesn't make it a psyop. One doesnt need to read an encyclopedia to understand why they love their kids, just sometimes a deeper understanding of how things work is helpful.
I agree, but just as (if not more) important as that - is to be correct. The statement that the sun only appears to set due to perspective is wrong.
If the sun actually set purely by perspective, it would shrink to a dot. It doesn’t. It goes down like a ship “over the horizon” and for the same reasons.
Encouraging people to believe and repeat this demonstrably incorrect statement is an attack on them from the flat earth psyop.
The real reason for the appearance of the sun setting/rising is due to refraction caused by the density gradient in our air.
just because someone is claiming something that is partially incorrect is not "proof" its a psyop, its just proof either they are trying to keep it simple or simply not well informed as possible. The Sun movement across the sky is 100% due to perspective, the reason it doesnt change size is due to the fact its always far away and you cannot perceived its depth, ever, the common tool for perceiving how far things are away ON OUR PLANE. Your claiming " the sun setting/rising is due to refraction caused by the density gradient in our air." is wrong, because it means u dont understand what refraction is. Refraction happens at a point where the medium changes, the horizon is neither a point nor a physical thing capable of doing that which you claim. When Light becomes "fuzzy and unclear" over distance, thats called atmospheric diffraction. The actual reason the sun appears to set is simply because the 2d background is occulted by the 3d foreground which ends at the "hor eye zone". So essentially your claiming something is wrong by not understanding what they are claiming and then asserting what you are claiming is correct when its easily proven wrong, now some would say that exactly the traditional recipe for how government shills work to influence gullible people, but i will hold back judgement to see how angry you get when shown your errors in logic.
I completely agree. It isn’t partially incorrect though - it is completely incorrect. The sun does not noticeably/perceptibly shrink in size as it sets. If perspective were the cause of the disappearance of the sun during sunset - it would shrink and get smaller until it disappeared. It would NOT set the way that large ships do.
I think we are generally in agreement here. The path the sun appears to take is significantly affected by perspective, but the movement of it is due to its movement. The sunset is NOT caused by perspective.
Right! The air (medium) through which the light travels is not uniform. It is a gradient. As the light from the sun travels through this density gradient it is curved convexly towards the ground due to refraction. The horizon is an optical illusion, and isn’t involved in the refraction. Perspective is the reason the sun appears to collide with the horizon in the distance, however - in reality - the height of the sun has not changed and though it seems like the rays of the sun are coming straight at you during sunset they are really traveling downwards from a great height through the density gradient which causes the optical illusion of “setting” (this is the same way it works with ships/stars - everything that “sets”)
It is certainly wrong to say that the reason for the sunset is perspective, or at best misleading. Your explanation sounds a little different than that, and you are correct that i do not understand it. It sounds like nonsense. The 3D occults the 2D? It’s all 3D... Can you explain this in any more detail, and more importantly can you demonstrate another example of this 3D occulting 2D on a smaller scale?
Some like me (though i don’t speculate on the source - government or otherwise)! Though, you argued directly against that in the first line of your comment ;)
Let me know if you still don’t agree / understand how refraction is (or at least conceivably could be) causing the illusion of setting, and how your view can be demonstrated/validated correct!