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Debunking the flat Earth model. (media.scored.co)
posted 3 years ago by Turdsoup 3 years ago by Turdsoup +24 / -9
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– Allas8 3 points 3 years ago +4 / -1

Perceiving flat earth star trails is a matter of perspective, demonstrated here. Many flat earth proponents and defenders of the globe have been recreating star trails in flat earth experiments but it is important to understand that perspective is key to understanding how to perceive what might be happening with the stars above flat earth.

https://youtu.be/WoVVmGEB6vQ

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– Turdsoup [S] 1 point 3 years ago +3 / -2

That is an interesting explanation for why we perceive star trails the way we do, but it falls WAY short of explaining away the 2, and ONLY 2, celestial poles we can see from Earth. They DO NOT vary based on our position on Earth, other than only seeing the N. Pole in the N hemisphere & S. Pole in S. Hemisphere.

Northern celestial pole time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV8PVzPZcBk

Southern celestial pole time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3n-s9i7WQ

Equator celestial time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtVG_pVNHI

IF the celestial poles are caused by us perceiving the stars getting farther away, THEN we would expect the poles center point to vary based on how far away we are… but we do not see this.

ANYWHERE on the Northern Hemisphere (N. American to Russia) you can see the northern celestial pole and the stars ALWAYS revolve around the same point, the North Star.

ANYWHERE on the Southern Hemisphere (S. America to Australia) you can see the southern celestial pole and the stars ALWAYS revolve around the same point, that just so happens to not have a star.

These results NEVER vary and anyone can recreate the results.

The existence of 2, and only 2, celestial poles, that are always consistent, disproves the flat Earth theory.

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– Allas8 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

You can see all the stars revolve around the north star, as it is fixed in the sky. Throughout the year, year after year, the northstar remains unmovable in the sky, no matter where you look at it from, as it does not circle. You would think that with some of the tilt the Heliocentric model claim that the earth is having, that the north star would change position in the sky throughout the year, but apparently this just gets ignored, best not to think of all the wobbling they claim is going on, with the earth.

If you more of a explanation on how the the southern stars revolves around the same point based on perspective, try listening to p-brane, he got some animation to show how this works:

Anti Crepuscular Sun Rays are KEY to Southern Star Rotation FLAT EARTH perspective

https://youtu.be/t30-YbayyXE

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– Turdsoup [S] 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

IF his explanation is true, THEN we would expect to see different “celestial poles” (what we would perceive as such anyway) circling different locations as our perspective changes. But regardless of your location in the southern hemisphere, the southern celestial pole is alway in the same location (compared to the stars around it).

IF his explanation is true, THEN the center of the celestial pole would converge on the horizon at the point our field of vision ends, just like the SUN’s rays do in his example. In other words, we wouldn’t see full circles up in the sky, we would see half circles at the horizon. But we don’t see that. What we do see… the farther south you go, the higher the south celestial pole gets in the sky. The farther north you go, the higher the north celestial pole gets in the sky… but they both ALWAYS revolve around the same point regardless.

Northern celestial pole time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV8PVzPZcBk

Southern celestial pole time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3n-s9i7WQ

Equator celestial time-lapse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtVG_pVNHI

ANYWHERE on the Northern Hemisphere (N. American to Russia) you can see the northern celestial pole and the stars ALWAYS revolve around the same point, the North Star.

ANYWHERE on the Southern Hemisphere (S. America to Australia) you can see the southern celestial pole and the stars ALWAYS revolve around the same point, that just so happens to not have a star.

These results NEVER vary and anyone can recreate the results.

The existence of 2, and only 2, celestial poles, that are always consistent, disproves the flat Earth theory.

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– Allas8 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

It is the same stars, only different are how far away you are from them. The farther away you are, the lower in the sky the most distant stars will appear from you. It is explained at the 1829 mark. He explains exactly why we would see full circles, no matter your geographical location, like you asked. It is a anti rotation, the further away you get, the smaller the circle will appear in the sky. So the further south you get, the higher the circles will get, as you get closer to them, that is how perspective works.

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– CrazyRussian 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Throughout the year, year after year, the northstar remains unmovable in the sky

No, it is not fixed. It is at distance of ~100 pasec, or parallax-seconds that means it moves 1/50 arcseconds on the sky when Earth moves 180° (2 AU) around Sun.

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