Sadam Hussein once bragged he only needed 3 million of his 33 million population to sustain Iraq and 1 million of those were in the million man army. Do you think western nations are any less efficient?
Ah i see. Well you're missing the idea of exchange of power. Being focused on economic productivity ignores the very real function of these "bullshit" jobs: regulating authority structures.
I think the implementation is where things went wrong too. Unfortunately, you can't even weigh the merits publicly in a place like this because the strong arm of the current system keeps the gas on anti "other systems" propaganda. There are trillions at stake for those at the top so as long as anything other than "current system" is demonized effectively, we can't even discuss change let alone expect it.
You can't change human nature, which is why implementation fails. In a high trust ethnocentric society you can almost make it work, but you need to incentivize individual hard work.
The thing is, though, that a lot of people with non-bullshit jobs earn a living doing shit for people with bullshit jobs.
My family had an underground lawn sprinkler installation business when I was growing up. Shit was hard work. Still, we had a comfortable middle class existence for most of it, because lawyers and regional managers and HR execs wanted nice lawns.
You can imagine what happened during the Great Recession. Real people with non-bullshit jobs, the Mike Rowe "Dirty Jobs" crowd had a hard time of it.
Sadam Hussein once bragged he only needed 3 million of his 33 million population to sustain Iraq and 1 million of those were in the million man army. Do you think western nations are any less efficient?
Haiti after the earthquake was a good example of idle hands
Bureaucrats in other words
Ah i see. Well you're missing the idea of exchange of power. Being focused on economic productivity ignores the very real function of these "bullshit" jobs: regulating authority structures.
If only there was a system where...ahh nvm.
I think the implementation is where things went wrong too. Unfortunately, you can't even weigh the merits publicly in a place like this because the strong arm of the current system keeps the gas on anti "other systems" propaganda. There are trillions at stake for those at the top so as long as anything other than "current system" is demonized effectively, we can't even discuss change let alone expect it.
You can't change human nature, which is why implementation fails. In a high trust ethnocentric society you can almost make it work, but you need to incentivize individual hard work.
So, UBI should be a thing because we already have a sorta UBI?
I was just trolling a bit, but yea.
The thing is, though, that a lot of people with non-bullshit jobs earn a living doing shit for people with bullshit jobs.
My family had an underground lawn sprinkler installation business when I was growing up. Shit was hard work. Still, we had a comfortable middle class existence for most of it, because lawyers and regional managers and HR execs wanted nice lawns.
You can imagine what happened during the Great Recession. Real people with non-bullshit jobs, the Mike Rowe "Dirty Jobs" crowd had a hard time of it.