Not happening without Chinese involvement. Possibly others. They're not in position to move without China. Or another flank providing the opportunity. Could they strike at somewhere else. An escalating question. It's like a high stakes poker game. How much are they willing to gamble and will the other player fold. Unlikely. But they'll keep raising it. The pot is blowing steam. Despite the gas being off.

It's not about redlines anymore. Because they don't exist. Where are they? Obviously don't hit Russia. Okay that's Red. But hitting them in the Ukraine, is still debatable. I mean what have they done about it. Hit Ukraine more. Irony.

Hence the previous tactical debate.