But that is what gravity is, and has been for thousands of years! All the way up to, and including, today! I can't help it if people don't know the origins or correct definitions of the words they are using, but I am trying to undo some of the damage whenever possible by sharing my research findings!
When people say "gravity causes things to fall", they are wrong. Gravity is the tendency for lifted things to fall when dropped - nothing more. Gravitation is the purely imaginary (and incorrect/invalid) pseudo-force that is taught/supposed to cause the phenomenon of gravity.
Our enemy wars with wordplay, which is an attack against our ability to communicate, collaborate, and to practice science - and we must fight back!
Gravity implies gravitation. Implies mass being attracted to mass. It's one and the same.
But the other guy is wrong saying there is no force acting upon you. There is a downward vector that depending where you are in the world is approximately 9.8mps2. This is a fact. It is measurable. But this is not 'gravity'. The word gravity implies an explanation as to why this vector exists.
It would not be the first time! However, in this case I am not wrong; I am historically and scientifically correct (and failing that, by semantical arbitration).
Implies mass being attracted to mass. It's one and the same.
No. Scientific laws and theories are explicitly different and for explicitly different purposes. Scientific laws describe phenomena, merely the "what". Scientific theories describe the cause of phenomena, the "how/why". One of them must be the law, and one of them must be the theory. You can reverse them if you wish (though this is not consistent with history/etymology), but you must choose. Naming a scientific law and theory the same thing is an attack on science.
Gravity is millennia old. Mass (and gravitation) are merely a few hundred.
But the other guy is wrong saying there is no force acting upon you
Not exactly. He's saying there is no force pulling you down to the ground. He's correct, but I don't expect you to understand that nor agree with it without a lot more study/discussion into the subject! However, if you were properly trained in the "standard" view, you already know that gravitation is a psuedo-force and is not a real force of any kind - so you should agree in any case!
This is a fact. It is measurable.
It is a fact, but it is also wrong. Many facts we learn are wrong. Would you care to discuss the subject in more depth with someone who has differing perspectives to your own? If so, I cordially invite you to the community I created specifically for such discussion!
But this is not 'gravity'.
Correct, that is gravitation - but to your point it is often represented as "g" in equation and referred to (incorrectly) as gravity.
The word gravity implies an explanation as to why this vector exists.
Not historically, no. Laws (which are bore solely of observation/measurement) don't imply cause/explanation; They merely describe. Theories (which are bore of experiment) do!
You are not the first I have met to feel that way, and I understand and can empathize with where you're coming from.
The words belong to us. We can do with them as we will. What is important is that we communicate with each other effectively - and a word by any other series of letters... well, you get the point.
I use the word and its scientific definition because I care about science. The natural/scientific law of "falling" doesn't have the same ring to it (though it means exactly the same)
But that is what gravity is, and has been for thousands of years! All the way up to, and including, today! I can't help it if people don't know the origins or correct definitions of the words they are using, but I am trying to undo some of the damage whenever possible by sharing my research findings!
When people say "gravity causes things to fall", they are wrong. Gravity is the tendency for lifted things to fall when dropped - nothing more. Gravitation is the purely imaginary (and incorrect/invalid) pseudo-force that is taught/supposed to cause the phenomenon of gravity.
Our enemy wars with wordplay, which is an attack against our ability to communicate, collaborate, and to practice science - and we must fight back!
You're wrong.
Gravity implies gravitation. Implies mass being attracted to mass. It's one and the same.
But the other guy is wrong saying there is no force acting upon you. There is a downward vector that depending where you are in the world is approximately 9.8mps2. This is a fact. It is measurable. But this is not 'gravity'. The word gravity implies an explanation as to why this vector exists.
It would not be the first time! However, in this case I am not wrong; I am historically and scientifically correct (and failing that, by semantical arbitration).
No. Scientific laws and theories are explicitly different and for explicitly different purposes. Scientific laws describe phenomena, merely the "what". Scientific theories describe the cause of phenomena, the "how/why". One of them must be the law, and one of them must be the theory. You can reverse them if you wish (though this is not consistent with history/etymology), but you must choose. Naming a scientific law and theory the same thing is an attack on science.
Gravity is millennia old. Mass (and gravitation) are merely a few hundred.
Not exactly. He's saying there is no force pulling you down to the ground. He's correct, but I don't expect you to understand that nor agree with it without a lot more study/discussion into the subject! However, if you were properly trained in the "standard" view, you already know that gravitation is a psuedo-force and is not a real force of any kind - so you should agree in any case!
It is a fact, but it is also wrong. Many facts we learn are wrong. Would you care to discuss the subject in more depth with someone who has differing perspectives to your own? If so, I cordially invite you to the community I created specifically for such discussion!
Correct, that is gravitation - but to your point it is often represented as "g" in equation and referred to (incorrectly) as gravity.
Not historically, no. Laws (which are bore solely of observation/measurement) don't imply cause/explanation; They merely describe. Theories (which are bore of experiment) do!
Your pilpull is getting worse.
I still don't know what this means, or where it comes from. I only infer its meaning from context; is it like rhetoric? Where does the word come from?
Gravity pulled it out your ass, rabbi.
That word really offends you huh?
You are not the first I have met to feel that way, and I understand and can empathize with where you're coming from.
The words belong to us. We can do with them as we will. What is important is that we communicate with each other effectively - and a word by any other series of letters... well, you get the point.
I use the word and its scientific definition because I care about science. The natural/scientific law of "falling" doesn't have the same ring to it (though it means exactly the same)