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posted 3 years ago by GynaNumbaZero 3 years ago by GynaNumbaZero +37 / -2
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– KiloRomeo 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Well and their assets are massively depreciating. This is the best kept secret in tech: digital platforms DO depreciate except of course accountants don't know this. What's a tech platform worth after 5 years with no updates or maintenance?

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– Krako 6 points 3 years ago +8 / -2

I'm an accountant and yes we do absolutely depreciate software and tech just like any other asset. It's not a secret or anything you just don't know what you are talking about.

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– KiloRomeo 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Fair point since I'm not an accountant I shouldn't speculate about their practices though I'm not talking about licensees with fixed terms I'm talking about the product offering / platform itself.

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– Krako 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

That itself would also be an asset. Think of building a website as a project much like construction of a building. It could take many months or years to build with all sorts of different costs going in, development costs, consultants, coders etc. Once the project is complete all those costs get rolled into an asset on the balance sheet and depreciated on a fixed schedule. If you don't make improvements eventually that asset is worth $0 on your balance sheet.

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– KiloRomeo 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I'm not communicating my point very well it seems. The value of the platform approaches $0 much more quickly than the lofty PE ratios seem to justify. Within a few years they become liabilities. Yet they spend hundreds of millions per years on salaries to build them. If they are only worth their media library licenses scaled to their audience then their PE ratios should be similar to the duration of these contracts (ie ~10 not ~30+). Same is true for software such as windows where there's a need for constant improvements/updates. It's this pattern that I see throughout tech sector.

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– MindlessRationality 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The new oil spills....

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– the-new-style 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Depreciation is income

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– KiloRomeo 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I think the issue here is that their PE ratios are > depreciation period. Like they're purposefully not factoring in long term costs to their valuations. Or they are but investors aren't

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– the-new-style 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Netflix streams from Amazon AWS for their service

So it is only their catalogue which is losing value over time.

I've not gone through their accounts but I expect that cost has been re-couped (I might be wrong).

As for Amazon

  • $31.16 billion in advertising revenue from sellers on its platform
  • $62.2 billion in revenue from AWS but was also expensive to run, generating $18.5 billion in contributions but still a healthy 29.7% gross margin

Summary

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasongoldberg/2022/02/04/amazon-reveals-its-most-profitable-business/

Actual filing

https://ir.aboutamazon.com/news-release/news-release-details/2022/Amazon.com-Announces-Fourth-Quarter-Results/default.aspx

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– KiloRomeo 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This basically proves my point. If it's only their catalog that has value at this point, then we're admitting 100% devaluation of the platform they built.

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