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After talks, Macron says "nothing reassuring" from Putin, believes worst is yet to come in Ukraine. (www.rferl.org)
posted 3 years ago by escalation 3 years ago by escalation +6 / -3
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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If Russia intends to capture all of it?

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– forinfren 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

My money's on the eastern half of it, cut around the Dnieper river.

Meanwhile, the Russians are currently looking to pass a law that would criminalize "disinformation" about the Russian Army... so, basically, an excuse to ban western social media and news outlets. With the already effective ban on Russian "propaganda" in the EU, both sides have reached the summit of Mount Stupid and are now building towers to go even higher.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

There's a reason it's called the red army. Play on words. But historically. Messy. While the West tends to employ far more words and sanctions and propaganda.

But in answer no, not the mindset at all.

At this point it's all in. It has been since diplomacy has failed, and any terms or concessions, have escalated into confrontation and warfare. There are still truces to be made. But Russia will do it from strength, before fully seeking them, as existing terms and preconditions weren't met.

Both know the battle for Kyvi would be pivotal. It is where some of the fiercest fighting has been and likewise in its second city and many others when it descends into urban combat. But you can bet yeah. Once command structures go, that traction gains ground quickly. So it has been imperative to hold them together and propagate morale.

While I might agree with some existing assessments that it has been messy perhaps slightly rushed at Kyvi because of its representation to the battlefield. But I don't agree with everything aired. No it doesn't mean if it goes Ukraine completely folds, but from there any ground becomes dominated. Currently almost everything is supporting it. I bet it will become more formulated as Eastern positions become overrun. The airfield there has been quite bloody perhaps changing hands a few times. Important for Kyvi supply lines. But once it's surrounded by formation and formulation as with any previous waves in attack patterns, by wave 10 those bosses are even stronger.

Edit; busy. But yes. Perhaps a position of dominance would be assertive of that Eastern Geography and further squeezing the largest city into terms or truce. I don't think at this point by further being pressed into it they have much to lose by not fully demilitarising the resistance.

I would hate to guess. Messy above btw doesn't mean unprofessional, it simply means it has always fought harder despite losses, or an assumption of weakness. In regards to an enemy menacing and perhaps even cannibalistic.

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– forinfren 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Looking at the miles-long convoy outside Kiev now, as well as the entry of the Chechens on the playing field, I suspect that both are meant to keep the Ukrainians in check, while the real goal is the aforementioned takeover of the eastern part of the country.

The thing about the Chechens is that, unlike a conventional army, they aren't exactly "deployed", as much as they are unleashed - and all hell breaks loose afterward. I suspect they're already getting restless, and even Putin can't fully control them - which is exactly what he's banking on, because it makes for a far greater threat. It's basically a tool to prod Zelensky into quicker negotiations, giving up Donetsk and Lugansk in order to keep Kiev from getting ransacked by the real-life Uruk-Hai.

Now, negotiations are supposedly set to resume tomorrow. (The very fact that they're taking the weekend off is already suspicious but that's neither here nor there.) If what I suspect is true, Zelensky will either wisely back off and let the secession take place... or he'll do something stupid to provoke more bloodshed as a last resort. Either way, I'm not seeing this stalemate continuing after that week. Not with the Chechens in sight anyway.

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Thank you, that is a fair assessment. And a polite and detailed response.

But it's not one I agree fully with.

The convoy is positioned and likely awaiting further convergence from any Eastern positions which are still catching up. Some strongholds are taking longer, and are still holding out. But are possibly virtually broken, or still breaking in a few places. Like Kharkiv. There are also more troops and equipment incoming from Siberia, etc, and it potentially takes a week or more to move. These likely reinforce and also are used to hold. As a front line moves forward. Reports are of older equipment. Some of the immediate waves and initial rush had been repelled, although fighting is still happening around a vital supply line for Kiev, the airport. Not quite sure who has it now. Because it is harder gaining accuracy. Look at the map in Western news of Russian positions, any analyst will tell you it is wrong. Pockets from front line, and surrounding cities are massively out. Nonsensical.

Kiev you're right is pivotal and a surrender is presumably favoured, but each side wants what the other cannot give. Also played up by opposing interests. How can he surrender anything? It would play into Russian hands. He is as committed to defending. Russia wants him to surrender. He will deny it until otherwise, supported by continued armaments and likewise foreign mercs.

Your assessment of just the Eastern region. I cannot agree with. It is past that. Russia hasn't got much more to lose now by being as sanctioned. Seemingly, it is all in objectively. More, and it starts to commit the opposition. Resources, like oil and gas are much harder upholding from a united global front. Meanwhile fighting is increasing in the West from air and missile strike possibly even troops now. They're on Odesa, columns are moving across, and up from Kherson.

Kiev like other cities needs encompassing before it yields. That isn't the position yet at all. But perhaps terms may still be brokered. Dubious. They've mostly been on some aid corridors, ceasefire, and have stalled.

Again, I don't have that situation. Who fully does. It's not in the press yet. Except as statements from both. Meanwhile the information above isn't accurate when played entirely by competing propaganda. But from both mouths, they are committed to their causes. It was seemingly described as all or nothing.

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– forinfren 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

All or nothing... I'll have to consider that possibility as well.

From the start, I thought the operation was more of an intentional ploy to get Russia sanctioned, so that it would have an excuse to detach its economy from the west (with China and India following suit), without having much strategic value on its own. The tactics are unlike any I've seen, what with the dumping of arms and equipment on the territory, by both sides no less - if the Chechens do their thing in the big cities, half the country could become Somalia 2.0, and used as a buffer with the west.

But the situation now - it's like they're not even waiting for tactical support, but more like they're... stalling. Waiting for some event elsewhere. Same goes for the negotiations, which in all reports have been described in the vaguest terms, and which have proceeded at a pace I might even call leisurely, especially given the stakes at hand.

In short, somethin's fucky. For all the propaganda news about such and such vehicles or buildings being destroyed or people getting captured, both the conflict and the current stalemate seem artificial. And yet the political consequences are rapid and comprehensive, as if even the corporate players had a designated plan for this exact occasion, legal contract contingencies and all.

Time will tell how long this stalemate endures, and what precise event will happen just before it breaks up... though not necessarily with any direct attributable ties. It's a curious coincidence this happens at the exact same time as the Freedom Convoy in the US, which is now at D.C., and which has been mostly ignored by even the non-mainstream media.

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