"Left european governments seems to be at least as corrupted as Urkainian or Russian government with the same ignorance about their people."
Yeah, that's what I meant - European governments are just as corrupt, yet this doesn't seem to register on the average leftist's radar. It's like they have no taste buds for it or something.
I also agree that the West wouldn't even consider the thought of getting Ukraine in the EU, if not for something truly drastic... like, say, the threat of Russian occupation. Their hand is being forced, by their own favorite tool - playing the hero, especially on social media. And after that, if more and more reports of Ukrainian Nazis come to light, it'll be a real image-breaker, not just for the current crop of leftist politicians, but for their laymen supporters. Imagine a conversation going like this:
Yes, Ukrainian nazis exists (existed?) and they definitely not in great love with Russians and Polish people. But in the first place their main enemy is Jews. They even agreed to make an alliances with Russians and Polish to resist Jewish invasion and power seizure in Ukraine. There was even some kind of agreement between Russian and Ukrainian nationalists about mutual sanctuary, and there was cases when it perfectly worked. Russian and Ukraininan nationalists cooperated in the fight against muslims too. In the past they participated in different Slavic Nationalist Union meetings and had no any problems with coexistence with Polish and Russians nationalists. AFAIK all questions among Slavic nations was set on hold by most nationalistic movements due to the growing and obvious threat of NWO and muslims invasion in Europe.
That was up to the events of 2014.
Take a look, f.e. - https://last24.info/read/2014/11/20/3/4863 (in Russian, use online translator Google translate f.e.). Don't forget that it is still a propaganda, but the cooperation between Russain and Ukrainian nationalists was a real thing and that could be still true, taking in account that after 2014 Jewish power seizure MSM began to show some other Ukrainian nazis nobody know about.
Russian nationalists even got offers from FSB and Russian Federation state officials to head LPR/DPR but denied, because don't account Ukraininans as enemies. Check Dmitry Demushkin case, f.e. https://khpg.org/en/1608809502 (in English)
There is possibility that real Ukrainian nationalists go underground after 2014 power shift to avoid extermination by Jewish government and some jewish shills took their place to explicitly force Ukraininan-Russian tensions in the country.
Now we see some strange "nazis" who are on the side of Jews and NWO with never known leaders and complete absence of any ideology.
Hardly that things will be heard even here, and hardly they are important, but that is just another proof that all that Russian-Ukrainian tensions are completely staged and nearly everything is a lie, even in such small details.
Oh, I'm not saying the Ukrainian Nazis are all that real. I'm saying that narrative can be a useful card to play at the right time. The fact that the EU rushed headlong into openly sending weapons, fully aware they're being given to civilians (which breaks more laws of war than I can mention off-hand), is already suspicious. Moreover, rifles and other small arms are one thing, but nobody in their right mind gives RPGs to conscripts and irregulars. It's a recipe for disaster, and both sides would know it.
And yes, overall, the conflict is staged; the question is for how long, and to what end. According to RT, Russia has already turned off the gas tap - if that goes on for more than a couple of months, the EU will learn a whole new meaning to the phrase "winter is coming"... in mid-summer at that. My own country is mostly nuclear, but entirely dependent on Russian isotopes - and I'm not that nostalgic for the 80s and 90s, to miss the power shortage.
What I see is that both governments do everything to escalate conflict that is completely unwanted by population of both countries, but keep it as cold as possible. I think it is staged contractual war with minimum losses just to provide an excuse for NWO to move along with their plans of taking control over world population.
"Left european governments seems to be at least as corrupted as Urkainian or Russian government with the same ignorance about their people."
Yeah, that's what I meant - European governments are just as corrupt, yet this doesn't seem to register on the average leftist's radar. It's like they have no taste buds for it or something.
I also agree that the West wouldn't even consider the thought of getting Ukraine in the EU, if not for something truly drastic... like, say, the threat of Russian occupation. Their hand is being forced, by their own favorite tool - playing the hero, especially on social media. And after that, if more and more reports of Ukrainian Nazis come to light, it'll be a real image-breaker, not just for the current crop of leftist politicians, but for their laymen supporters. Imagine a conversation going like this:
"You're racist for not liking illegal migrants!"
"Bitch, you literally donated to Nazis."
". . . "
That Ukrainian Nazis narrative is a lie too.
Yes, Ukrainian nazis exists (existed?) and they definitely not in great love with Russians and Polish people. But in the first place their main enemy is Jews. They even agreed to make an alliances with Russians and Polish to resist Jewish invasion and power seizure in Ukraine. There was even some kind of agreement between Russian and Ukrainian nationalists about mutual sanctuary, and there was cases when it perfectly worked. Russian and Ukraininan nationalists cooperated in the fight against muslims too. In the past they participated in different Slavic Nationalist Union meetings and had no any problems with coexistence with Polish and Russians nationalists. AFAIK all questions among Slavic nations was set on hold by most nationalistic movements due to the growing and obvious threat of NWO and muslims invasion in Europe. That was up to the events of 2014.
Take a look, f.e. - https://last24.info/read/2014/11/20/3/4863 (in Russian, use online translator Google translate f.e.). Don't forget that it is still a propaganda, but the cooperation between Russain and Ukrainian nationalists was a real thing and that could be still true, taking in account that after 2014 Jewish power seizure MSM began to show some other Ukrainian nazis nobody know about.
Russian nationalists even got offers from FSB and Russian Federation state officials to head LPR/DPR but denied, because don't account Ukraininans as enemies. Check Dmitry Demushkin case, f.e. https://khpg.org/en/1608809502 (in English)
There is possibility that real Ukrainian nationalists go underground after 2014 power shift to avoid extermination by Jewish government and some jewish shills took their place to explicitly force Ukraininan-Russian tensions in the country.
Now we see some strange "nazis" who are on the side of Jews and NWO with never known leaders and complete absence of any ideology.
Hardly that things will be heard even here, and hardly they are important, but that is just another proof that all that Russian-Ukrainian tensions are completely staged and nearly everything is a lie, even in such small details.
Oh, I'm not saying the Ukrainian Nazis are all that real. I'm saying that narrative can be a useful card to play at the right time. The fact that the EU rushed headlong into openly sending weapons, fully aware they're being given to civilians (which breaks more laws of war than I can mention off-hand), is already suspicious. Moreover, rifles and other small arms are one thing, but nobody in their right mind gives RPGs to conscripts and irregulars. It's a recipe for disaster, and both sides would know it.
And yes, overall, the conflict is staged; the question is for how long, and to what end. According to RT, Russia has already turned off the gas tap - if that goes on for more than a couple of months, the EU will learn a whole new meaning to the phrase "winter is coming"... in mid-summer at that. My own country is mostly nuclear, but entirely dependent on Russian isotopes - and I'm not that nostalgic for the 80s and 90s, to miss the power shortage.
What I see is that both governments do everything to escalate conflict that is completely unwanted by population of both countries, but keep it as cold as possible. I think it is staged contractual war with minimum losses just to provide an excuse for NWO to move along with their plans of taking control over world population.