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Trump defenders have a full time job (ibb.co)
posted 4 years ago by ShillSlayerLives 4 years ago by ShillSlayerLives +6 / -0
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– OriginalPatriot 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

ou are wrong about slavery Christians are the ones who stopped it.

Christians were on both sides of this. Christians certainly supported slavery and used the Bible to justify it. Abolitionists, who were considered crazy radicals by the way, also opposed it largely on Christian principles.

Slavery still exists today and was first abolished in western societies. White Christian societies overwhelmingly ended it first and even pushed for the trade to end in other places. To single out the USA for slavery when it had been around since the start of time and still exists seems odd doesn’t it?

I didn't single out the U.S.

We should be teaching the entire history in schools of slavery which is all people and all cultures used to and some still do embrace slavery.

But slavery is huge part of American history, which we teach in schools. Part of the history of the US, founded on principles of liberty and freedom, is that from founding until the 1860s, the most brutal, dehumanizing form of chattel slavery was practiced. Should that not be taught in an AMERICAN history class? The issue led directly to a Civil War which caused more wartime American deaths than any other armed conflict in our history. But we should for some reason try to soften the history lesson by saying, well, yes, we did do slavery but the Muslims also enslaved the Slavs for centuries. And so what? Does that somehow make it any better? Why would we teach about slavery in other countries when we are teaching American history?

And absolutely, I firmly support teaching human rights to students. Maybe we should have a human rights curriculum where students are exposed to the fact that slavery is practiced in parts of the world. I totally support that. Do you? I see that as a separate thing from American history , though. (By the way, it's not a defense for Ted Bundy to say, yeah, I killed a bunch of people, but so did Henry Lee Lucas.

Why do I not see liberals fighting for slaves that exists today?

They do, maybe you can get involved: Alliance to End Slavery & Trafficking Anti-Slavery International End Slavery Now Connect (list)

I mean, there are literally dozens and dozens of anti-slavery groups out there. I am surprised that you as an active person who is interested in political solutions and adamantly opposed to slavery aren't aware of that. Well, look, there are all kinds of opportunities for you personally to get involved and do something. Or are you just trying to weaponize the issue as a talking point? (My guess is the latter.)

I do not see you guys marching demanding China stop enslaving Muslims.

First, who do we march on? The purpose of a march is to influence decision-makers. I didn't see Trump supporters marching on Trump when he talked about his special relationship with Xi. Did you? Did you march on that? Did you criticize his love for the North Korean dictator? He literally said he fell in love with Kim. Nothing from you?

Uyghur Human Rights Project

Another one to join. Also, you could support the cause by putting pressure on companies that produce clothing in China. Here's some info:

China Fast Tracked Ivanka Trump's Trademark Requests

You need to get past the programming of a liberal believing everything non liberal is propaganda and read with an open mind. Not saying agree but just read and consider the reason you shut down articles immediately is because you are programmed.

I'm not programmed and I don't shut them down. I look into them and find them absolutely bogus. I detail my reasons for why they are bogus. All you do is gainsay that. You never present facts as counter-proposals. Just more junk links.

What if and we are correct in that you guys are very much bamboozled by state media?

What if and WE are correct that YOU guys are bamboozled by rightwing propaganda? The so-called the "state media" are only PBS and NPR (I guess also Voice of America if that's still around). The first two are independent publicly supported corporations, but they are the closest we have to state media.

That argument works both ways. Deal with the facts, not the sources. If I present something as a fact and I'm wrong, call me out on it. That's what I try to do with these articles you say I shut down. I don't shut them down, I debunk them with facts. Fact: federal lands have been around since the beginning of the US and have only declined in total acreage since at least the 1990s (an example of debunking one of the talking points one of your sources claimed was true).

And no we should not ever accept changing sex as ok or normal. We should love and embrace the people as we do with anyone mentally ill. If a boy is feminine let him be feminine and gay if he is. Why tear apart your body? What does a penis have to do with who you are? We should be embracing self love and that you are perfect in the body you are born in. Isn’t gender a social construct? If so then why the need to change ones self and not just love your personality and body as is?

I'm not sure they are mentally ill. Do you know any trans people personally? I do. There's nothing overtly "mentally ill" about them. They are fine functioning people. They appear to be happy with their choice. Why should that matter to you or me? Now I do concede that kids are tricky issue. To what extent is a child able to make this decision? What is the process for determining if this is really something absolute, that it's not a mistake? I don't know those things, but I'm sure there's a process. Some way of making sure that a kid isn't just falling for some fad.

I’ll pull up some cartoons when I get a minute and cases and lawsuits. I assure you it is there.

I'm waiting. Examples of schools specifically pushing kids to transition. That's what you said was happening. And, yes, cartoons. It's interesting that you said it was everywhere and yet you need some time to find something.

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