quite a bit too late, most healthcare workers in FL and TX folded a while ago when their companies demanded it. granted, this will create a huge influx of healthcare workers to florida who aren't buying the bullshit.
Depending on how big an influx it is, Florida could become one of the premiere locations for medical "tourism." Any healthcare worker moving to the state over the vax would generally have superior critical thinking skills and less blind faith in the conventionally recommended treatments.
Bc hipaa doesn't do this. Hipaa provides that your employer can't contact anyone in Healthcare and get your records without your consent. This has been being cited incorrectly so so often all throughout covid. Hipaa is actually a pretty narrow set of guidelines that cover pretty specific circumstances and industries.
I just looked it over, and you're right. HIPAA doesn't cover it, but ADA does:
Title I of the ADA also covers:
Medical Examinations and Inquiries
Employers may not ask job applicants about the existence, nature, or severity of a disability. Applicants may be asked about their ability to perform specific job functions. A job offer may be conditioned on the results of a medical examination, but only if the examination is required for all entering employees in similar jobs. Medical examinations of employees must be job related and consistent with the employer's business needs.
Idk it seems like those last two lines kinda cover em. I don't think the ADA is quite as broad as a lot of people think. Not getting vaccinated probably isn't going to fly as a disability. Certainly worth a shot. I'd like to note that I'm not against you in any way - I have not and will not be getting any of the covid shots. I'm also trying to be realistic in my expectations tho
Editing to provide an extra thought - its kinda always been a thing for public schools and stuff to demand that your child have certain vaccinations in order to attend. Employers have also been allowed to drug test their employees if they choose. I'm all for freedom, and that includes businesses being free to impose whatever nonsense they like. The market tends to weed this type of bullshit out on its own.
The elephant in the room is that these injections are still experimental. Forcing someone to participate in a medical experiment in order to participate in society seems pretty shaky. Especially with the Nuremburg code and all that. The very first part of which states the following:
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.
Of course, the EU is now pushing to abolish that particularly inconvenient piece of law.
Yeah, I agree. The fact that's still only being used per EUA makes the whole thing really fucking crazy. I've heard they're thinking they'll have at least one of these vaccines fda-appeoved in a more traditional sense within the year. Kinda makes you wonder if they're just holding out for that - bc all the proposed vax mandates have sorta been half measures so far. Lot of talk with nothing actually backing it yet.
What if they get their traditional approvals, and all of it is no longer considered emergency use, or experimental?
I'm not sure they can do that in any reasonable amount of time due to the requirements for determining long term effects. I think phase 4 testing takes something like 10 years. Who knows, they're changing laws like crazy right now in order to ram this stuff through. The fact that the EU is trying to end the Nuremburg code is terrifying.
Hey axo what about a meta for this by state? A number of states (iowa, nebraska, kansas, s dakota, etc) have also resisted mandates. Oklahoma nat guard resists.
Interesting. They still demand you waive your right to privacy. And divulge your vax status. I think that would be a strong "NOooooooooo" on my part with a threat to sue them.
It's simple. If they had a right to the information they would go to your provider. They can't and so don't have right to the information.
The conservative states did a good job at blocking the illegal mandates, indeed.
quite a bit too late, most healthcare workers in FL and TX folded a while ago when their companies demanded it. granted, this will create a huge influx of healthcare workers to florida who aren't buying the bullshit.
That's why a long while ago, I said people might be able to endure it.
Depending on how big an influx it is, Florida could become one of the premiere locations for medical "tourism." Any healthcare worker moving to the state over the vax would generally have superior critical thinking skills and less blind faith in the conventionally recommended treatments.
I don't understand how they're managing to circumvent HIPPAA by demanding they submit their vaccine status regardless...
Bc hipaa doesn't do this. Hipaa provides that your employer can't contact anyone in Healthcare and get your records without your consent. This has been being cited incorrectly so so often all throughout covid. Hipaa is actually a pretty narrow set of guidelines that cover pretty specific circumstances and industries.
I just looked it over, and you're right. HIPAA doesn't cover it, but ADA does:
Title I of the ADA also covers:
Medical Examinations and Inquiries Employers may not ask job applicants about the existence, nature, or severity of a disability. Applicants may be asked about their ability to perform specific job functions. A job offer may be conditioned on the results of a medical examination, but only if the examination is required for all entering employees in similar jobs. Medical examinations of employees must be job related and consistent with the employer's business needs.
Idk it seems like those last two lines kinda cover em. I don't think the ADA is quite as broad as a lot of people think. Not getting vaccinated probably isn't going to fly as a disability. Certainly worth a shot. I'd like to note that I'm not against you in any way - I have not and will not be getting any of the covid shots. I'm also trying to be realistic in my expectations tho
Editing to provide an extra thought - its kinda always been a thing for public schools and stuff to demand that your child have certain vaccinations in order to attend. Employers have also been allowed to drug test their employees if they choose. I'm all for freedom, and that includes businesses being free to impose whatever nonsense they like. The market tends to weed this type of bullshit out on its own.
The elephant in the room is that these injections are still experimental. Forcing someone to participate in a medical experiment in order to participate in society seems pretty shaky. Especially with the Nuremburg code and all that. The very first part of which states the following:
Of course, the EU is now pushing to abolish that particularly inconvenient piece of law.
Yeah, I agree. The fact that's still only being used per EUA makes the whole thing really fucking crazy. I've heard they're thinking they'll have at least one of these vaccines fda-appeoved in a more traditional sense within the year. Kinda makes you wonder if they're just holding out for that - bc all the proposed vax mandates have sorta been half measures so far. Lot of talk with nothing actually backing it yet.
What if they get their traditional approvals, and all of it is no longer considered emergency use, or experimental?
I'm not sure they can do that in any reasonable amount of time due to the requirements for determining long term effects. I think phase 4 testing takes something like 10 years. Who knows, they're changing laws like crazy right now in order to ram this stuff through. The fact that the EU is trying to end the Nuremburg code is terrifying.
Hey axo what about a meta for this by state? A number of states (iowa, nebraska, kansas, s dakota, etc) have also resisted mandates. Oklahoma nat guard resists.
yes, also one for evidence of harm/death from vax
Interesting. They still demand you waive your right to privacy. And divulge your vax status. I think that would be a strong "NOooooooooo" on my part with a threat to sue them.
It's simple. If they had a right to the information they would go to your provider. They can't and so don't have right to the information.
Too late for the vast majority. They already gave deadlines and fired tons of people. It's only until now the "law" caught up with the mandates