After my last post about antifa I decided to do some research on my own, since people were very upset at my ignorance. So now I have some info and new questions. The consensus from the last post was that antifa is actually fascist and is an arm of the government used to further subjugate us. After reading about it, it sounds more like an anarchistic movement. They seem to have communist and socialist ideals, which isnt necessarily a bad thing as those ideas started out innocent and got corrupted by money and power just like capitalism. People said that they are claiming to be anti fascist while committing fascist acts although I couldnt really find anything on that. What if it is a real movement, and therefore a threat to the government, and then the government poses as them to commit acts that discredits them. Anarchism is one of the biggest threats to our government so of course they would want to bring public hate to antifa. Are there any pro antifa people that can weigh in this time? Not one popped up last time to give an opinion
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Dawg I used to consider myself "antifa" back when I took it's meaning at face value. I am always and forever going to be against a centralized state controlling the population. As I saw "antifa" begin backing a puppet like Biden I became wildly disillusioned with what their real intentions were.
While yes, there are still many like me who hope to see the destruction of the state as it exists, and the empowerment of the workers as the true leaders, many who are guiding the "movement" are neoliberal fascists.
Those in control are hiding behind traditional leftist and anarchist "buzzwords" to promote their agenda. As such they have gathered a rather large group of people who have continued to latch onto those buzzwords and become victims of the propaganda that pushes people into identity politics.
Antifa as a term is largely supported by folks who once stared with bright young eyes at the destruction of the system that fucked them and everyone they know. Now it's a bunch of disillusioned 30-somethings hiding behind the same terminology to take their marching orders from neoliberal agitprop.
Great post. How would true anarchists start an anti government movement without being tracked down and silenced by the government or infiltrated by the less bright individuals?
Yea the data-mining that gave them this modern power has decimated any form of legitimate opposition. They have the power and information to nip even the most mild of uprisings in the bud before it becomes big enough to warrant attention by the very media THEY control. It is without question that of any "anti-establisment" group has reached the state media, it was under the control of those paying for the subsequent "reports".
We are legitimately living under the flagrant use of doublespeak and doublethink. They aren't remotely hiding it, just demonizing everyone who calls it out.
And my understanding is you cant even use the dark web anymore because the government has infiltrated it and has ways of tracking. There must be some way to accomplish something. I guess the only real way is off the grid guerrilla warfare, but that's a difficult thing to do
Well they have a multi-decade long record of consistently expanding their power into all forms of communication. Not saying it in a religious way, but the reality is... find your peace with yourself. Continue any opposition that feels right to you, but don't expect a massive revolution. We may have a surge of activity, but globally... I'm inclined to believe this keeps going in a bad way. I will keep hoping for more, but they've tightened the clamps for so long with no opposition... I can't help but think that finding your own peace is key to making it to the end without losing yourself.
I guess just becoming something close to amish is the answer. Drop technology and create a small, off the grid society that cares about it's people. No money, no class
Yea I've legitimately discussed doing this with friends and family. This "virus" is a psychological one that has been propagated through even the most vicarious of social media dependencies. As much as "return to monke" is a meme, I can't disagree with the general sentiment to return to a state of minimal communalism.
But the squid has its tentacles over the whole world. Even the few tribes with minimal contact are bound for integration/decimation. I hope I'm wrong as fuck on the doomier sides of my thoughts. I wait to be proven wrong with great hope.
I too hope you are wrong, although I do agree with you. I just dont want to spend my days thinking we are doomed. It's very hard not to though
I am a former anarchist philosopher, and I have tried to address many of the fundamental flaws in the concept that leads it to be used as a tool by communists to create a new brutal totalitarian state. Firstly, the protection of property from ownership is merely the ownership of property by the state. Secondly, there will always be conflicts of will. How are these conflicts resolved, by might? There is this common fantasy of anarchists and commies that "the community" will come together to resolve these conflicts. "the community" is just the state all over again. Why don't we just get thee faster by renaming the police to "the people's police". And these nu-police always prioritize political thought-crimes over actual crimes.
So in your opinion, what would it take to have true anarchism?
doesn’t anarchy have an actual, concrete definition? pretty sure it does.
But speaking of anarchism in regards to its dictionary definition is the antithesis of speaking to the plethora of beliefs that currently exist under the term. People see anarchy anywhere from chaos, to peaceful individualism. The diaspora of anarchic thought is a large part of why it hasn't taken root in any larger movement.
Yes of course it does. I mean what would we as a civilization need to do to have an actual anarchism, as in moving from our current fascism to an anarchism
It would take a common faith in a true architect that had objective goals of universal harmony of wills. A belief that the imposition of will with violence or the threat of violence was a fundamental violation of universal harmony. That one must first approach the negotiation of wills with humility and respect.
They have literally the same logo as the Nazi party prior to taking power. They are funded by open society foundation which is owned by a former Nazi. The Democratic Party brushed their felonies under the rug while fabricating crimes for their political opponents. They basically take orders from the DNC and act as intimidating enforcers. There’s nothing anarchistic about this.
What is this open society foundation? And what proof is there that they are taking orders from anyone? Are you saying that it's not possible that it was an honest movement infiltrated by the government? And you cant say that anything the government says or does is true. Democrats, Republicans...they're all the same. It's not left vs right, it's us vs them. We dont vote for a president. That is decided long before the election. They just pit us against each other on everything so we never realize that they dont give a shit
I noticed you didn’t comment on the logo…. I’ll discuss this with you but not if this is some sort of attempt to shill for them
I can assure you it isnt. I cant speak on the logo as I dont khow anything about that, but I was just taking your word for it. But I will go and try to find source material on the logo if that can continue the conversation
Okay. The relationship between Marxism and fascism needs to be explored since I think it helps explain the state sponsored components. Fascism has without exception in history risen out of Marxist ideologies not from nationalism as the DNC smears. The “national” in NAZI refers to the idea of nationalizing the institutions not to the idea of isolationist policy. Study the brown shirts and their beliefs and tactics and explore how this relates to what we’re seeing.
Guy is a shill. Check out his last thread and the stuff he said to me. Just here to waste time.
Oh nice you came back. We never quite nailed down our applebees plans. About tomorrow night?
I rest my case.
Very interesting. So basically the government, whoever that is, is the equivalent of Hitler, which does seem true. And antifa is the equivalent of the brown shirts, which honestly sounds a bit true. Luckily for us I guess, the brown shirts did seem to lead to the downfall of the nazis. They wanted too much power and fucked everything up. So we just have to hope that antifa, or whatever the paramilitary arm of the government is, gets too power hungry and they have infighting and kill each other. I've never researched paramilitary groups before so thank you for that. I really nust wish that censorship from our own government wasnt a thing. It makes it so much harder to find the truth, even though that's kind of the point